Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

I had a libertarian phase for a few months when I was 18 too. Unfortunately, the 1997 Canadian election occurred during those months. I voted PC for the only time in my life. (Tbf, they were basically a fringe party at that point.)

they either want one thing....or the total opposite

I used to see an old man all the time driving a minivan that was covered top to bottom in Ron Paul stickers and quotes, I hope he moved out to a compound somewhere to live out his dream and didn't die.

i'm not basing this on anything other than my feeeelings but i figured most paul guys--besides maybe some of the younger ones without fully formed brainz yet--went full on alt-right

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-insidious-libertarian-to-alt-right-pipeline

The personalities may change but the cult mentality remains.

My 75-yr-old Warren-supporting dad reax to the day's news: "This dismal situation frees me from having to think about the primary, as I can't vote of either of these boneheads. But I guess I'll be voting for one of them in the general."

source: wishful thinking

into this, gonna subscribe so they can continue to do the important work

i'm sorry but i just can't support elsevier's rent-seeking any more

Silver lining on today is that I can finally tweet this truly epic shot of Warren staff reacting to Jacob Wohl claiming our boss was having a BDSM affair with a young marine. #GoCougars pic.twitter.com/LcmB1eSnFj

— Lee Sova Claypool (@lee_gsc) March 6, 2020

They laugh, but Jacob Wohl is president and she is not.

Magnificent

Exclusive: For Bernie Sanders, his 1988 trip to the Soviet Union was an effort to build diplomatic ties. For the Soviets, it was the start of a years-long propaganda effort to exploit his antiwar agenda, documents obtained by The New York Times show. https://t.co/I4UsqheKHQ

— The New York Times (@nytimes) March 6, 2020

Not many years, for obvious reasons.

Seriously, more like “months”

You know who else visited the Soviet Union? Lee Harvey Oswald!

is there a rollup of polls of the remaining primary states that compare Sanders and Biden's standings? 538's is tedious and you have to pick state by state and it still has the super tuesday states chooseable which is a pain; but my quick check showed Sanders ahead everywhere (sometimes by huge margins) but Florida and somewhere else.

Liz live on Maddow going on at great length about online abuse, way more than any other issue. Laying into Bernie supporters.

Bad blood. Does not sound conciliatory.

sigh

Quelle surprise

Sounds like Biden making appeal for “decency” and “restoring dignity.”

I guess the rest of her principles are secondary.

Seriously fuck her if she’s going to let a bunch of twitter trolls take priority over the issues she’s been campaigning on for the past year+

Thats the spirit

dude

I mean we do have a climate emergency but let’s put these bullies in their place first

Christ almighty you guys are just never gonna get it, are you?

There's a reason literally everyone else across the spectrum thinks Bernie ppl are assholes. #notallbros I know, but for real. You can't take every single complaint and plea for decency as just more evidence of your righteousness.

It may or may not keep you from getting the nomination, but it's intensely alienating and yes there are a whole lot more people in this country than just you.

Michigan is Tuesday.

There is not a lot of time to right this ship if indeed you care about M4A, gross income inequality, climate catastrophe etc.

But Berniebros are mean, so whatever

I'm watching the Maddow interview now, she sounds fine

Tipsy, I admired your post today on FB. You should post here.

Alfred you must ha e tuned in late

It’s a snake emoji on Twitter, no one burned down a house.

Joe Biden did make it all but impossible to clear student loans via bankruptcy, though.

Oh, thanks Alfred. Here it is.

Throwback Thursday, Liz Warren edition: In 2017 I went with my then-boss Madeline Rogero and a group of other mayors for meetings on Capitol Hill. The most impressive person of any party we met with was Elizabeth Warren. She came into the room, gave everyone there (me included) a very firm handshake and direct eye contact, then sat down and launched into a rapid-fire strategy session on how mayors could effectively advocate for urban interests under a federal administration that was not on the whole inclined to prioritize them.

She was forceful and direct and specific, and she asked smart questions and listened to the answers and responded to them. She was in the room for only about 15 minutes, but by the time she left she had every mayor there fired up and ready to go. I've met lots and lots of politicians, including several senators and governors, and I've never been so immediately impressed by anyone on just a basic level of intelligence, energy and strategic thinking.

Obviously that didn't translate on the presidential campaign trail, and there are a zillion thinkpieces out there about why not. But it was fun to be in that room.

It’s a snake emoji on Twitter, no one burned down a house.

Joe Biden did make it all but impossible to clear student loans via bankruptcy, though.

This line of argument is basically, "The world sucks and is full of bad people, so you shouldn't care that we're assholes." But the thing is, nobody ever likes assholes. You could be on the Titanic sinking, and you'd still notice who was being an asshole.

I'm just not sure how many votes you really wanna throw away in the next month or so.

If this is her primary focus in her first post-dropout interview I'm just gonna go ahead and assume there ain't no endorsement on the way.

um we *are* on the Titanic sinking and we need all hands on deck. Now.

seems a safe bet. i truly hope she gets something good out of a biden admin, but... that seems unlikely.

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There's a reason literally everyone else across the spectrum thinks Bernie ppl are assholes. #notallbros I know, but for real. You can't take every single complaint and plea for decency as just more evidence of your righteousness.

It may or may not keep you from getting the nomination, but it's intensely alienating and yes there are a whole lot more people in this country than just you.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Thursday, March 5, 2020 9:39 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

your definition of "literally everyone else" seems maybe a bit limited

I’ve never used an emoji in my life and never said an unkind word about Warren to anyone who could be influenced (ie not ILXors).

But it’s a snake emoji, if that’s someone’s threshold for voting for a guy who helped lead us into Iraq and brags about writing the PATRIOT Act, that’s between them and their god - and they were never serious about not voting for him.

xp who knows, maybe she’ll endorse tomorrow, but one would think you’d first want to calm the waters, prepare her supporters etc.

This was not that.

she seems to be doing so right now #snake

I hope you're right!

like, I also can't stand the subset of irony-poisoned, extremely online dudes (and this particular subset is largely dudes) whose moral first principles, from which all other principles follow, are getting to dunk on people they find cringe or whatever, but nobody I have talked to who is not also extremely online has even heard of them

When I spoke with @ewarren earlier today, she was defiant at the idea that she is obligated to support either Sanders or Biden.

"Why would I owe anybody an endorsement?" she said. "Is that a question they asked everybody else who dropped out of this race?"

— Jess Bidgood (@jessbidgood) March 6, 2020

um we *are* on the Titanic sinking and we need all hands on deck. Now.

That not only doesn't make it ok to be an asshole, it makes it actively counterproductive.

And it's not just extremely online dudes, or if it is, they're extremely prolific. I mean, I know lots of people who are not going to vote for Bernie partly because of how much they hate the cloud of jerks around him. Or if they are, it's with huge reservations, for the same reason.

But sure, it's all going to be everybody else's fault if he loses.

Yes, it will be the fault of people who vote for Joe Biden because of "jerks."

And it's not just extremely online dudes, or if it is, they're extremely prolific

I can assure you they are

XP

"We don't have time to treat other people decently, we have a revolution to win. Now join us at the barricades!"

itt i learned people are ok with toxic abusers as long as they support the candidate they like

"Yes, we overthrew two Latin American countries in favor of right-wing dictatorships but Bernie People said my cardigan was ugly."

the toxic abusers Bernie has specifically denounced repeatedly? xp

(ftr I think it's pretty dumb to change your vote based on something the candidate's supporters do or say, particular if the supporter came out against it multiple times, but still, coming at Warren for bringing it up is weaksauce)