Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

I flirted with libertarianism when I stopped being a trotskyist at 18 or 19 but I read one book - some Robert Nozick thing - and that was the end of that for me.

I suppose being a trotskyist for a couple of years in my teens is my dark reactionary secret past

I played the Clinton role in a class debate/election and stomped the shit out of the Perot/Bush kids.

I try to give women during that time some leeway in the choices they made because it wasn't the same circumstances.

Probably more indefensible than a libertarian phase, to be honest.

also true. and as for an actual “phase” I think it was really just a brief time when my conception of politics was something along the lines of hating the religious right, the PMRC and liking weed and seeing govt being a “problem” in all three instances

then W happened and well...

It will be the easiest election of my life.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:18 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Amen and of course the fact that so many Sanders backers don't feel this way is part of their failure to connect beyond the progressive base.

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lol wait I might have misread

I had a teacher who pushed the Ayn Rand scholarship essay contest super hard but thankfully she couldn’t actually make us read the Fpuntainhead or enter.

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Several friends have posted a list of WHAT YOU’RE REALLY VOTING FOR where one of the top 5 is about the dignity of Presidential tweets. If that’s seriously a concern for a lot of people I will forever accept being out of touch with the electorate. (I don’t think it is.)

I tried to read the Fountainhead when I was 13 or 14 because of Rush, but thanks Ayn Rand for being a horrible, ponderous writer! I got bored a little ways in and never went back

yeah a friend of mine tried to get me to read the speech from anthem in high school and i was just like dogg this is boring

I've said this many times before but it's baffling that Trump's RUDE TWEETS are still an angle of attack on the left, if anything the fact that Trump is a dumbfuck on Twitter is one of the only likeable things about him

i fancied myself a moderate in high school but college turned me into a communist, which is one more for the conservative talking points about institutions of higher education. libertarians always came off as smug trolls to me, and they still do

I've said this many times before but it's baffling that Trump's RUDE TWEETS are still an angle of attack on the left, if anything the fact that Trump is a dumbfuck on Twitter is one of the only likeable things about him

― frogbs, Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:21 PM (forty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh so this is why you're constantly posting trump tweets that i don't fucking want to see

the bloom fell off the rose for me when it became apparent that most were really just neo-Confederates who liked weed and South Park, eg Rand Paul-type dudes

(This all happened way before the Paul’s had any national notoriety tho)

libertarianism is a lot more appealing when you live with your parents

Or when your parents buy you a house.

or when your house is a very very very fine house

My parents had no $$$, which might be why that phase of life was mercifully short

if gyac is irish does that mean deems is allowed in this thread again?

― Yerac, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:18 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i just been busy!

im indigenous irish btw

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/03/05/study-showing-bernie-needs-huge-youth-turnout-is-nonsense/

sanpaku’s favorite chart

Lol Gabbard FFS

#Missouri @EmersonPolling/@NXSTMediaGroup Poll (3/4-5):
Biden 48%
Sanders 44%
Gabbard 2%https://t.co/IYJUGizYXu

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) March 5, 2020

this doesn't look good for Bernie
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_democratic_presidential_primary-6835.html

He overperformed by more in 2016, iirc. But yeah, he'll need to do that again, or it's probably over.

538 still not updating their forecast is kinda stressful right now :(

i don't think the biden momentum will last. he was buoyed by the last minute endorsements and the south carolina win -- which was always expected -- but the more scrutiny he gets, the less america will like him. also bernie's turnout will be higher in future contests because i think some supporters were feeling complacent.

source: wishful thinking

i will say that it's bleak that biden is the "moderate" who actually emerged at the end of all that. almost all the others were more compelling. i'm a bernie guy so i never really liked them either, but like, at least klobuchar could make a coherent point at the debate. you know, responding to what others said meaningfully, using evidence...

Still text-banking but it feels like there are a lot of liberals who've started actively convincing themselves that Biden's record isn't real.

honest to god who the fuck is voting for Tulsi?

some people have a crush on her i think. you know, she's from hawaii, she surfs, she takes unpopular stances in congress, i get it.

people who voted for Ron Paul in 2008 or 2012

she is vv pretty

i think that's half of that one percent. the other half are people are very anti-war and for whom that is their main issue.

Bernie could knee cap her by swearing that Medicare For All will cover essential oils

the number of 08 Ron Paul dudes I know who became Bernie bros is a real headscratcher

Paulheads split along the lines of continuing to love weed/hate The Man or fully embraced fascism IME

i don't know. i think these are people who distrust the concentrated power of the elites. and they are open to different ways of trying to break the back of this alliance between state and corporate power.

I had a libertarian phase for a few months when I was 18 too. Unfortunately, the 1997 Canadian election occurred during those months. I voted PC for the only time in my life. (Tbf, they were basically a fringe party at that point.)

they either want one thing....or the total opposite

I used to see an old man all the time driving a minivan that was covered top to bottom in Ron Paul stickers and quotes, I hope he moved out to a compound somewhere to live out his dream and didn't die.

i'm not basing this on anything other than my feeeelings but i figured most paul guys--besides maybe some of the younger ones without fully formed brainz yet--went full on alt-right

https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-insidious-libertarian-to-alt-right-pipeline

The personalities may change but the cult mentality remains.

My 75-yr-old Warren-supporting dad reax to the day's news: "This dismal situation frees me from having to think about the primary, as I can't vote of either of these boneheads. But I guess I'll be voting for one of them in the general."

source: wishful thinking

into this, gonna subscribe so they can continue to do the important work

i'm sorry but i just can't support elsevier's rent-seeking any more

Silver lining on today is that I can finally tweet this truly epic shot of Warren staff reacting to Jacob Wohl claiming our boss was having a BDSM affair with a young marine. #GoCougars pic.twitter.com/LcmB1eSnFj

— Lee Sova Claypool (@lee_gsc) March 6, 2020