Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

if you self-identify as Native American then yes xp.

but white people claiming native heritage sucks shit and is part of white supremacy and colonialism.

It is, but it's something that a HUGE chunk of white people I know had some dalliance with when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Self included. Until my dad went and did our genealogy (the hard way - pre-internet), it was family lore that we might have had Cree ancestry and I accepted that as fact. So many friends were "part Cherokee".

Two of my grandparents were from Norman and we had similar family lore of Choctaw heritage so I get that it the kind of family story that gets passed down but it always seemed like obvious bullshit to me, which is why I wish she would have used the results to educate people on that.

The whole thing is leaving me kind of confused about what a white-passing person is supposed to do or say or how to say it, if they know or believe that they have a native/indigenous ancestor but their family either doesn't qualify as or didn't raise them with a tribal identity, but then since I'm not one of those ppl I don't really need to have an analysis right this second. Anyway. Go Liz and keep kneecapping bankers and oligarchs with our blessing.

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

FTR, the only reason Warren's DNA episode made me cringe was that (figuratively speaking) a bully called her a name and she responded with a powerpoint explaining why the bully was wrong. Which is basically the equivalent of handing a bully the back of your undershorts and pointing to the nearest coathook. This did not give me great confidence in her ability to fend off the bully she would have been running against had she won the nomination.

what a white-passing person is supposed to do or say or how to say it, if they know or believe that they have a native/indigenous ancestor but their family either doesn't qualify as or didn't raise them with a tribal identity

Nothing?

someone hook me up with that sweet pundit cheddar

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP)

can I get Gruyere

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

Me too, though the specifics are different. My maternal grandfather was born to Mexican parents in Cuba; my mother's last name (which she reverted to after divorcing my dad) is Guevara. I am 6'2" and blond with blue eyes.

coulda just done this from the beginning and skipped the whole "setting $500 million on fire" thing

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is planning to launch a new multi-state effort to support the eventual winner of the Democratic primary after suspending his own campaign.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that Bloomberg is planning an organization targeting six states: Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Arizona and Pennsylvania, that would both attack President Trump on key issues while supporting the Democratic nominee for president.

News of Bloomberg's plans comes following the suspension of his presidential bid on Wednesday following poor performances in Super Tuesday states, and the former mayor's endorsement of former Vice President Joe Biden (D).

The new organization, while reportedly consolidating hundreds of campaign staffers across battleground states, will also serve as a vessel for the millions of dollars Bloomberg planned to spend on his own campaign for president, which will now work to serve the winner of the Democratic primary.

I’m a little bit west african.

I'm a lttle bit rock and roll

1.8% neanderthal ancestry hasn't put me at risk with concern trolls, yet.

If we're to have a VP pool, I'll claim Gretchen Witmer.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer endorses Biden ahead of state's primary

Bailey legit just swiped someone’s burrito. pic.twitter.com/MWr6ZeiJa2

— Gabrielle Farrell 💫 President Warren 2020 (her/s) (@FarrellGabriell) March 5, 2020

I had the opposite experience from Warren, in that my family never talked about any native american heritage but a few years ago I went on ancestry and found census forms that listed two of my great grandparents as members of Canadian tribes. A family secret, I guess. I kinda forgot about it right away.

The fact that Warren was touting herself, or allowing herself to be touted as a POC back when she was a conservative trying to dismantle the liberal curriculum at Penn law and then moving to Harvard whee Derrick Bell was refusing to teach until more minority faculty members were hired is kind of...odd?

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

hey, cousin!

shouldn't Bloomy be spending all his money on Wisconsin

The fact that Warren was touting herself, or allowing herself to be touted as a POC back when she was a conservative trying to dismantle the liberal curriculum at Penn law and then moving to Harvard whee Derrick Bell was refusing to teach until more minority faculty members were hired is kind of...odd?

xpost I don't know, the 70s and 80s were a weird time. I was born in the late 70s and always had assumed and lived like I had the same rights as men. I didn't realize until much later that the rights and protections were either very very recently given (like being able to get a credit card or loan without a male figure's signature) or I really didn't fully have them yet. I try to give women during that time some leeway in the choices they made because it wasn't the same circumstances.

I was a libertarian as a 14 year old for about 2 hours

I flirted with libertarianism when I stopped being a trotskyist at 18 or 19 but I read one book - some Robert Nozick thing - and that was the end of that for me.

I suppose being a trotskyist for a couple of years in my teens is my dark reactionary secret past

I played the Clinton role in a class debate/election and stomped the shit out of the Perot/Bush kids.

I try to give women during that time some leeway in the choices they made because it wasn't the same circumstances.

Probably more indefensible than a libertarian phase, to be honest.

also true. and as for an actual “phase” I think it was really just a brief time when my conception of politics was something along the lines of hating the religious right, the PMRC and liking weed and seeing govt being a “problem” in all three instances

then W happened and well...

It will be the easiest election of my life.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:18 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Amen and of course the fact that so many Sanders backers don't feel this way is part of their failure to connect beyond the progressive base.

xpost
Zappa basically

lol wait I might have misread

I had a teacher who pushed the Ayn Rand scholarship essay contest super hard but thankfully she couldn’t actually make us read the Fpuntainhead or enter.

xpost
Zappa basically

Several friends have posted a list of WHAT YOU’RE REALLY VOTING FOR where one of the top 5 is about the dignity of Presidential tweets. If that’s seriously a concern for a lot of people I will forever accept being out of touch with the electorate. (I don’t think it is.)

I tried to read the Fountainhead when I was 13 or 14 because of Rush, but thanks Ayn Rand for being a horrible, ponderous writer! I got bored a little ways in and never went back

yeah a friend of mine tried to get me to read the speech from anthem in high school and i was just like dogg this is boring

I've said this many times before but it's baffling that Trump's RUDE TWEETS are still an angle of attack on the left, if anything the fact that Trump is a dumbfuck on Twitter is one of the only likeable things about him

i fancied myself a moderate in high school but college turned me into a communist, which is one more for the conservative talking points about institutions of higher education. libertarians always came off as smug trolls to me, and they still do

I've said this many times before but it's baffling that Trump's RUDE TWEETS are still an angle of attack on the left, if anything the fact that Trump is a dumbfuck on Twitter is one of the only likeable things about him

― frogbs, Thursday, March 5, 2020 2:21 PM (forty-five seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh so this is why you're constantly posting trump tweets that i don't fucking want to see

the bloom fell off the rose for me when it became apparent that most were really just neo-Confederates who liked weed and South Park, eg Rand Paul-type dudes

(This all happened way before the Paul’s had any national notoriety tho)

libertarianism is a lot more appealing when you live with your parents

Or when your parents buy you a house.

or when your house is a very very very fine house

My parents had no $$$, which might be why that phase of life was mercifully short

if gyac is irish does that mean deems is allowed in this thread again?

― Yerac, Thursday, 5 March 2020 20:18 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

i just been busy!

im indigenous irish btw

https://www.peoplespolicyproject.org/2020/03/05/study-showing-bernie-needs-huge-youth-turnout-is-nonsense/

sanpaku’s favorite chart

Lol Gabbard FFS

#Missouri @EmersonPolling/@NXSTMediaGroup Poll (3/4-5):
Biden 48%
Sanders 44%
Gabbard 2%https://t.co/IYJUGizYXu

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) March 5, 2020

this doesn't look good for Bernie
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/mi/michigan_democratic_presidential_primary-6835.html

He overperformed by more in 2016, iirc. But yeah, he'll need to do that again, or it's probably over.

538 still not updating their forecast is kinda stressful right now :(

i don't think the biden momentum will last. he was buoyed by the last minute endorsements and the south carolina win -- which was always expected -- but the more scrutiny he gets, the less america will like him. also bernie's turnout will be higher in future contests because i think some supporters were feeling complacent.

source: wishful thinking

i will say that it's bleak that biden is the "moderate" who actually emerged at the end of all that. almost all the others were more compelling. i'm a bernie guy so i never really liked them either, but like, at least klobuchar could make a coherent point at the debate. you know, responding to what others said meaningfully, using evidence...