Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

1. We get that dna tests don't qualify one for tribal status

2. Warren never claimed or sought tribal status

3. Lots of male candidates get WAY more slack for significantly more severe gaffes (let's talk about e.g. Joseph R. Biden-Kinnock-Citibank for a sec plz.)

4. She's not running anymore so the point of this retroactive outrage is...?

As long as dems keep sniping at one another through November, I'm happy.

― Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:23 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Because it was an accident waiting to happen. It was a catastrophic error of judgement. Bernie fans aren’t the only ones being selectively blind itt. Don’t try the misogyny argument on me; I don’t like Biden at all and Warren is a politician significantly more in line with my own views.

I like Warren, too. Was planning to vote for her until her chances started to take a precipitous drop. Guess it's a write-in for Bloomberg after all!

I voted for her on Tuesday during Florida early voting. It doesn't matter except for her using delegates as chips.

BTW, I know it is our duty and we will hold our noses and do it because we must, but man is there ever gonna be some head-spinning cognitive dissonance in voting for Sanders/Warren in the primary and then (presumably) Biden in the general.

eh not really (not for me anyway)

you fight for what you want, you take what you can get. Eternal law of politics.

I don't see dissonance because I want Trump out of office.

It will be the easiest election of my life.

if gyac is irish does that mean deems is allowed in this thread again?

gyac, well, I guess it's a good thing that you don't have to choose whether or not to vote for or against someone that, afaict, you are not eligible to for or against. Whew! Bullet dodged. No harm no foul I guess?

That’s a weird argument when voting all but twice in my life has been a nose-holding exercise and my choice is basically always “the morons over the fascists”.

I mean yes, of course, you take what you're given, getting Trump out of office is of paramount concern, but also to see a couple of progressive candidates get thaaaat close, to vote for them and have a legit hope of them going the distance, only to have to settle for ol' Camaro Joe. It's a little deflating.

I'm here for you OL

1. We get that dna tests don't qualify one for tribal status

2. Warren never claimed or sought tribal status

3. Lots of male candidates get WAY more slack for significantly more severe gaffes (let's talk about e.g. Joseph R. Biden-Kinnock-Citibank for a sec plz.)

4. She's not running anymore so the point of this retroactive outrage is...?

― "Yeah usually it's more like 3:22." -John Cage's wife (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, March 5, 2020 12:12 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

smh at all the focus on warren for "taking Bernie's votes" etc. which is obv dumb but white people claiming native heritage sucks shit and is part of white supremacy and colonialism.

it's pretty loathsome

My prediction is that it's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy that bumps her out; because everyone is saying that she can't win, fewer people will vote for her, making it more likely she won't win anything; if she ends up behind people who dropped out but have already garnered early votes (or just behind Bloomberg), I expect her to end her campaign.

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, March 2, 2020 3:25 PM bookmarkflaglink

someone hook me up with that sweet pundit cheddar

Are all of you also up in arms over virtually every African-American (including myself) having a wives' tale in their family history about a Native-American great-great-grandmother?

I think you can guess how that's different.

if you self-identify as Native American then yes xp.

but white people claiming native heritage sucks shit and is part of white supremacy and colonialism.

It is, but it's something that a HUGE chunk of white people I know had some dalliance with when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Self included. Until my dad went and did our genealogy (the hard way - pre-internet), it was family lore that we might have had Cree ancestry and I accepted that as fact. So many friends were "part Cherokee".

Two of my grandparents were from Norman and we had similar family lore of Choctaw heritage so I get that it the kind of family story that gets passed down but it always seemed like obvious bullshit to me, which is why I wish she would have used the results to educate people on that.

The whole thing is leaving me kind of confused about what a white-passing person is supposed to do or say or how to say it, if they know or believe that they have a native/indigenous ancestor but their family either doesn't qualify as or didn't raise them with a tribal identity, but then since I'm not one of those ppl I don't really need to have an analysis right this second. Anyway. Go Liz and keep kneecapping bankers and oligarchs with our blessing.

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

FTR, the only reason Warren's DNA episode made me cringe was that (figuratively speaking) a bully called her a name and she responded with a powerpoint explaining why the bully was wrong. Which is basically the equivalent of handing a bully the back of your undershorts and pointing to the nearest coathook. This did not give me great confidence in her ability to fend off the bully she would have been running against had she won the nomination.

what a white-passing person is supposed to do or say or how to say it, if they know or believe that they have a native/indigenous ancestor but their family either doesn't qualify as or didn't raise them with a tribal identity

Nothing?

someone hook me up with that sweet pundit cheddar

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP)

can I get Gruyere

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

Me too, though the specifics are different. My maternal grandfather was born to Mexican parents in Cuba; my mother's last name (which she reverted to after divorcing my dad) is Guevara. I am 6'2" and blond with blue eyes.

coulda just done this from the beginning and skipped the whole "setting $500 million on fire" thing

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is planning to launch a new multi-state effort to support the eventual winner of the Democratic primary after suspending his own campaign.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that Bloomberg is planning an organization targeting six states: Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Arizona and Pennsylvania, that would both attack President Trump on key issues while supporting the Democratic nominee for president.

News of Bloomberg's plans comes following the suspension of his presidential bid on Wednesday following poor performances in Super Tuesday states, and the former mayor's endorsement of former Vice President Joe Biden (D).

The new organization, while reportedly consolidating hundreds of campaign staffers across battleground states, will also serve as a vessel for the millions of dollars Bloomberg planned to spend on his own campaign for president, which will now work to serve the winner of the Democratic primary.

I’m a little bit west african.

I'm a lttle bit rock and roll

1.8% neanderthal ancestry hasn't put me at risk with concern trolls, yet.

If we're to have a VP pool, I'll claim Gretchen Witmer.

Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer endorses Biden ahead of state's primary

Bailey legit just swiped someone’s burrito. pic.twitter.com/MWr6ZeiJa2

— Gabrielle Farrell 💫 President Warren 2020 (her/s) (@FarrellGabriell) March 5, 2020

I had the opposite experience from Warren, in that my family never talked about any native american heritage but a few years ago I went on ancestry and found census forms that listed two of my great grandparents as members of Canadian tribes. A family secret, I guess. I kinda forgot about it right away.

The fact that Warren was touting herself, or allowing herself to be touted as a POC back when she was a conservative trying to dismantle the liberal curriculum at Penn law and then moving to Harvard whee Derrick Bell was refusing to teach until more minority faculty members were hired is kind of...odd?

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

hey, cousin!

shouldn't Bloomy be spending all his money on Wisconsin

The fact that Warren was touting herself, or allowing herself to be touted as a POC back when she was a conservative trying to dismantle the liberal curriculum at Penn law and then moving to Harvard whee Derrick Bell was refusing to teach until more minority faculty members were hired is kind of...odd?

xpost I don't know, the 70s and 80s were a weird time. I was born in the late 70s and always had assumed and lived like I had the same rights as men. I didn't realize until much later that the rights and protections were either very very recently given (like being able to get a credit card or loan without a male figure's signature) or I really didn't fully have them yet. I try to give women during that time some leeway in the choices they made because it wasn't the same circumstances.

I was a libertarian as a 14 year old for about 2 hours

I flirted with libertarianism when I stopped being a trotskyist at 18 or 19 but I read one book - some Robert Nozick thing - and that was the end of that for me.

I suppose being a trotskyist for a couple of years in my teens is my dark reactionary secret past

I played the Clinton role in a class debate/election and stomped the shit out of the Perot/Bush kids.

I try to give women during that time some leeway in the choices they made because it wasn't the same circumstances.

Probably more indefensible than a libertarian phase, to be honest.

also true. and as for an actual “phase” I think it was really just a brief time when my conception of politics was something along the lines of hating the religious right, the PMRC and liking weed and seeing govt being a “problem” in all three instances

then W happened and well...

It will be the easiest election of my life.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:18 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Amen and of course the fact that so many Sanders backers don't feel this way is part of their failure to connect beyond the progressive base.

xpost
Zappa basically

lol wait I might have misread

I had a teacher who pushed the Ayn Rand scholarship essay contest super hard but thankfully she couldn’t actually make us read the Fpuntainhead or enter.

xpost
Zappa basically