Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

i actually have no clue what you are talking about now. that the dna test didn't bother me. It doesnt' because I am such a mutt I totally get where she thought it was a good idea. xpost

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Posted: March 5, 2020 at 2:17:05 PM
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good post Simon

I had a realization speaking with a female friend, she just didn't LIKE Bernie on a fundamental level, like he just reminded her (she said) of older men who talk over her in meetings and dismiss her

Yes, and this is what a lot of POC/trans posters have been saying since the beginning!

xpost no, i heard she is still running. but only on this thread.

simultaneously sad about this and thinking "thank god now the discourse can end" (it won't)

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:48 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

milo z have you even talked to a poc, especially progressive ones who are very pro- their identity who do not like bernie and the reasons why.

Yes, and this is what a lot of POC/trans posters have been saying since the beginning!

A fascinating way to frame things, since he won with Latinx voters, Asian voters and LGBTQ voters.

we all do realize that warren is no longer running so you don't have to campaign against her.

I don't like Biden (at all) but I don't think he's an unprincipled right winger as much as someone who follows the political calculus of his party

I do think this but I also don't think they're mutually exclusive

milo z have you even talked to a poc, especially progressive ones who are very pro- their identity who do not like bernie and the reasons why.

Your friends may not be representative of progressives or POC!

i think we should all move to the prefab sprout thread and listen to some prefab sprout

but they are representative of eligible voters who are those things.

commies can listen to scritti politti instead

but they are representative of eligible voters who are those things.

Who did they support?

I haven't take a poll today. Have you taken your daily poll of all your non-white friends?

like seriously dude. I am not the enemy. Campaign for bernie but try to take into account the criticisms people have of him even if they agree with his platform.

I'm just flagging every milo post at this point

Campaign for bernie but try to take into account the criticisms people have of him even if they agree with his platform.

Criticisms can be dumb - like criticizing Warren for the DNA test, or Sanders for leading the Vermont Beautification Committee.

A fascinating way to frame things, since he won with Latinx voters, Asian voters and LGBTQ voters.

this is not true on a state by state basis afaik, at least not w Latinx voters (I believe a story was linked upthread about one of the Southern states - Virginia? - where the latino vote broke big for Biden).

also lol at ignoring the biggest POC constituency in the Democratic party. Nothin racist goin on there, nope

So.

I like Warren, sorry she's gone, rip.

1. We get that dna tests don't qualify one for tribal status

2. Warren never claimed or sought tribal status

3. Lots of male candidates get WAY more slack for significantly more severe gaffes (let's talk about e.g. Joseph R. Biden-Kinnock-Citibank for a sec plz.)

4. She's not running anymore so the point of this retroactive outrage is...?

As long as dems keep sniping at one another through November, I'm happy.

― Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:23 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Because it was an accident waiting to happen. It was a catastrophic error of judgement. Bernie fans aren’t the only ones being selectively blind itt. Don’t try the misogyny argument on me; I don’t like Biden at all and Warren is a politician significantly more in line with my own views.

I like Warren, too. Was planning to vote for her until her chances started to take a precipitous drop. Guess it's a write-in for Bloomberg after all!

I voted for her on Tuesday during Florida early voting. It doesn't matter except for her using delegates as chips.

BTW, I know it is our duty and we will hold our noses and do it because we must, but man is there ever gonna be some head-spinning cognitive dissonance in voting for Sanders/Warren in the primary and then (presumably) Biden in the general.

eh not really (not for me anyway)

you fight for what you want, you take what you can get. Eternal law of politics.

I don't see dissonance because I want Trump out of office.

It will be the easiest election of my life.

if gyac is irish does that mean deems is allowed in this thread again?

gyac, well, I guess it's a good thing that you don't have to choose whether or not to vote for or against someone that, afaict, you are not eligible to for or against. Whew! Bullet dodged. No harm no foul I guess?

That’s a weird argument when voting all but twice in my life has been a nose-holding exercise and my choice is basically always “the morons over the fascists”.

I mean yes, of course, you take what you're given, getting Trump out of office is of paramount concern, but also to see a couple of progressive candidates get thaaaat close, to vote for them and have a legit hope of them going the distance, only to have to settle for ol' Camaro Joe. It's a little deflating.

I'm here for you OL

1. We get that dna tests don't qualify one for tribal status

2. Warren never claimed or sought tribal status

3. Lots of male candidates get WAY more slack for significantly more severe gaffes (let's talk about e.g. Joseph R. Biden-Kinnock-Citibank for a sec plz.)

4. She's not running anymore so the point of this retroactive outrage is...?

― "Yeah usually it's more like 3:22." -John Cage's wife (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, March 5, 2020 12:12 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

smh at all the focus on warren for "taking Bernie's votes" etc. which is obv dumb but white people claiming native heritage sucks shit and is part of white supremacy and colonialism.

it's pretty loathsome

My prediction is that it's going to be a self-fulfilling prophecy that bumps her out; because everyone is saying that she can't win, fewer people will vote for her, making it more likely she won't win anything; if she ends up behind people who dropped out but have already garnered early votes (or just behind Bloomberg), I expect her to end her campaign.

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Monday, March 2, 2020 3:25 PM bookmarkflaglink

someone hook me up with that sweet pundit cheddar

Are all of you also up in arms over virtually every African-American (including myself) having a wives' tale in their family history about a Native-American great-great-grandmother?

I think you can guess how that's different.

if you self-identify as Native American then yes xp.

but white people claiming native heritage sucks shit and is part of white supremacy and colonialism.

It is, but it's something that a HUGE chunk of white people I know had some dalliance with when I was growing up in the 80s and 90s. Self included. Until my dad went and did our genealogy (the hard way - pre-internet), it was family lore that we might have had Cree ancestry and I accepted that as fact. So many friends were "part Cherokee".

Two of my grandparents were from Norman and we had similar family lore of Choctaw heritage so I get that it the kind of family story that gets passed down but it always seemed like obvious bullshit to me, which is why I wish she would have used the results to educate people on that.

The whole thing is leaving me kind of confused about what a white-passing person is supposed to do or say or how to say it, if they know or believe that they have a native/indigenous ancestor but their family either doesn't qualify as or didn't raise them with a tribal identity, but then since I'm not one of those ppl I don't really need to have an analysis right this second. Anyway. Go Liz and keep kneecapping bankers and oligarchs with our blessing.

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

FTR, the only reason Warren's DNA episode made me cringe was that (figuratively speaking) a bully called her a name and she responded with a powerpoint explaining why the bully was wrong. Which is basically the equivalent of handing a bully the back of your undershorts and pointing to the nearest coathook. This did not give me great confidence in her ability to fend off the bully she would have been running against had she won the nomination.

what a white-passing person is supposed to do or say or how to say it, if they know or believe that they have a native/indigenous ancestor but their family either doesn't qualify as or didn't raise them with a tribal identity

Nothing?

someone hook me up with that sweet pundit cheddar

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP)

can I get Gruyere

I have non-white ancestry. I had ancestors that were indigenous people living in what is now called Chile. I also have ashkenazi jewish ancestors. I am a white person, I identify as white, I cannot not-pass as white

Me too, though the specifics are different. My maternal grandfather was born to Mexican parents in Cuba; my mother's last name (which she reverted to after divorcing my dad) is Guevara. I am 6'2" and blond with blue eyes.

coulda just done this from the beginning and skipped the whole "setting $500 million on fire" thing

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is planning to launch a new multi-state effort to support the eventual winner of the Democratic primary after suspending his own campaign.

The Washington Post reported Thursday that Bloomberg is planning an organization targeting six states: Florida, Michigan, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Arizona and Pennsylvania, that would both attack President Trump on key issues while supporting the Democratic nominee for president.

News of Bloomberg's plans comes following the suspension of his presidential bid on Wednesday following poor performances in Super Tuesday states, and the former mayor's endorsement of former Vice President Joe Biden (D).

The new organization, while reportedly consolidating hundreds of campaign staffers across battleground states, will also serve as a vessel for the millions of dollars Bloomberg planned to spend on his own campaign for president, which will now work to serve the winner of the Democratic primary.