Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

anger is an energy

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 1:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

but how much energy does C+Ping Twitter's shittiest posts really require?

in orbit, i had never heard that about dna tests. I have never taken one. I have no clue whose elephant this is.

xxpost Taft was secretly elephant

Trump is not-so-secretly elephant

forgive me hE mArCHeD with MLk.

esp considering Biden's recent uh "gaffe" on this subject

Warren's DNA thing was super-dumb and did put a dent in perceptions of her judgment, which was a problem because her judgment was one of her big selling points. But at the same time, I don't think it was that big a deal as far as her campaign or ultimate electability. Certainly no more than, like, not having the right answer about Fidel Castro. Which also I think was dumb but is unlikely to be the make-break thing for Bernie in either the primary or the general. I don't think elections turn on those individual gaffes, it has more to do with people's overall perceptions of the candidate -- which gaffes can help shape, but if people basically like or trust someone, they'll forgive a lot, and if they don't, it doesn't really matter what the candidate says anyway.

On women not liking Bernie, I know a lot of very progressive women who find him completely off-putting for exactly the reasons mentioned above. And of course that goes double or triple for his followers, or what they perceive as his followers. I also know very progressive women who are campaigning their hearts out for him, so it's not universal. But there's a reason he's not going to get some of Warren's supporters, and it's not because they love Biden.

Certainly no more than, like, not having the right answer about Fidel Castro.

did Obama also have the wrong answer

gyac xpost . this was being mocked by black people about how it's a bad defense used because he hasn't done anything specifically for black people in ages.

_ forgive me hE mArCHeD with MLk._

Maybe never mind. I read (quickly) gyac's link about why the ancestry thing was offensive to actual tribal members and I can get it though the nuances will take some time. I only learned about blood quantum maybe a year ago? And the politics behind making tribes define themselves this way and the expectation that it would lead to them dwindling into extinction and having their identity and land stolen by the govt.

I thought the problem w Warren's DNA test was that she took it and they DIDN'T find any "native" ancestry and it made her look not only tone-deaf but also *a liar.* My mistake. Apparently testing showed that she DOES have it so now the whole thing is about the offense to tribal ppl, which I'm going to have to wrap my head around a little bit more.

I mean we can dunk on Bernie for not doing better with black communities than Joe goddam Biden (sincerely!), but I’m not sure Warren has the high ground here

So I could have an elephant in my ancestry but potentially not inherit those genes from one parent or the other, but one of my siblings *could* inherit them, so they could get the result of 10% elephant and I could get 0% but we still both "have" the genetic inheritance in an inexact way.
Or I have I completely misunderstood?

we all do realize that warren is no longer running so you don't have to campaign against her.

Certainly not for him putting his actual body on the line - and yeah, that does matter - to be posted in this thread as a dig. I mean criticise what he has or hasn’t done since but yeah, that’s something he should be proud of.

xp but for what it's worth the meaning of the result is never that you are 12.5% like this race / ethnic group and 87.5% like that race / ethnic group. Not in real world terms. It's just tracking genes that are more prevalent in those groups. What you're "like" is much more determined by the environment in utero, where you grew up, the culture you grew up in etc.

for clarification it's a dig but it is a common enough thing said about him from actual black people who are critical of him. I am not black although I got a scholarship from a black fraternity in high school that I actually feel bad about now.

Would it be mIsOgYnY to respond to some of the glossed over nonsense about her itt? “Oh I didn’t even think about it”. I mean cool, but if you didn’t foresee that coming up every single opportunity of a GE campaign, if you think it didn’t matter, then you’re dead wrong about her viability as a candidate, then and now.

yet still think he's a narcissist that spent his political career beautifying the very white Vermont and forgive me hE mArCHeD with MLk.

This is unbelievably dumb. If you want to go with Warren's last salvo round that he failed to single-handedly stop the Iraq War as one of 435 Reps, okay, but "the absolute nerve he had to spend his entire life fighting for all the causes I profess to believe in" is mind boggling.

Would it be mIsOgYnY to respond to some of the glossed over nonsense about her itt?

no but this kind of response is happening hourly itt at this point

anyway thank goodness warren dropped out of the race huh

i actually have no clue what you are talking about now. that the dna test didn't bother me. It doesnt' because I am such a mutt I totally get where she thought it was a good idea. xpost

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Posted: March 5, 2020 at 2:17:05 PM
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good post Simon

I had a realization speaking with a female friend, she just didn't LIKE Bernie on a fundamental level, like he just reminded her (she said) of older men who talk over her in meetings and dismiss her

Yes, and this is what a lot of POC/trans posters have been saying since the beginning!

xpost no, i heard she is still running. but only on this thread.

simultaneously sad about this and thinking "thank god now the discourse can end" (it won't)

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:48 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

milo z have you even talked to a poc, especially progressive ones who are very pro- their identity who do not like bernie and the reasons why.

Yes, and this is what a lot of POC/trans posters have been saying since the beginning!

A fascinating way to frame things, since he won with Latinx voters, Asian voters and LGBTQ voters.

we all do realize that warren is no longer running so you don't have to campaign against her.

I don't like Biden (at all) but I don't think he's an unprincipled right winger as much as someone who follows the political calculus of his party

I do think this but I also don't think they're mutually exclusive

milo z have you even talked to a poc, especially progressive ones who are very pro- their identity who do not like bernie and the reasons why.

Your friends may not be representative of progressives or POC!

i think we should all move to the prefab sprout thread and listen to some prefab sprout

but they are representative of eligible voters who are those things.

commies can listen to scritti politti instead

but they are representative of eligible voters who are those things.

Who did they support?

I haven't take a poll today. Have you taken your daily poll of all your non-white friends?

like seriously dude. I am not the enemy. Campaign for bernie but try to take into account the criticisms people have of him even if they agree with his platform.

I'm just flagging every milo post at this point

Campaign for bernie but try to take into account the criticisms people have of him even if they agree with his platform.

Criticisms can be dumb - like criticizing Warren for the DNA test, or Sanders for leading the Vermont Beautification Committee.

A fascinating way to frame things, since he won with Latinx voters, Asian voters and LGBTQ voters.

this is not true on a state by state basis afaik, at least not w Latinx voters (I believe a story was linked upthread about one of the Southern states - Virginia? - where the latino vote broke big for Biden).

also lol at ignoring the biggest POC constituency in the Democratic party. Nothin racist goin on there, nope

So.

I like Warren, sorry she's gone, rip.

1. We get that dna tests don't qualify one for tribal status

2. Warren never claimed or sought tribal status

3. Lots of male candidates get WAY more slack for significantly more severe gaffes (let's talk about e.g. Joseph R. Biden-Kinnock-Citibank for a sec plz.)

4. She's not running anymore so the point of this retroactive outrage is...?

As long as dems keep sniping at one another through November, I'm happy.

― Waifu-ed Around and Fell in Love (Old Lunch), Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:23 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Because it was an accident waiting to happen. It was a catastrophic error of judgement. Bernie fans aren’t the only ones being selectively blind itt. Don’t try the misogyny argument on me; I don’t like Biden at all and Warren is a politician significantly more in line with my own views.

I like Warren, too. Was planning to vote for her until her chances started to take a precipitous drop. Guess it's a write-in for Bloomberg after all!

I voted for her on Tuesday during Florida early voting. It doesn't matter except for her using delegates as chips.

BTW, I know it is our duty and we will hold our noses and do it because we must, but man is there ever gonna be some head-spinning cognitive dissonance in voting for Sanders/Warren in the primary and then (presumably) Biden in the general.

eh not really (not for me anyway)

you fight for what you want, you take what you can get. Eternal law of politics.

I don't see dissonance because I want Trump out of office.

It will be the easiest election of my life.