Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

read a theory that Warren and Sanders will spend next week's debate eviscerating Biden's past stances, she will drop out the next day, and then the following day endorse and be named as Sander's prospective VP. Nice theory, not sure it'll happen, but it could put wind in Sanders' sails.

lol its so much what i want to happen that it feels like fanfiction

The next round of states vote on tuesday the 10th, and the next debate is on the 15th, so it's too late

i mean at the very least i do think they're both gonna try to eat biden alive at the debate

Biden closed the gap and then some in just three days

It just goes to show how much pointless bullshit is swirling around when of all the bullshit no one has really gotten around to Sanders' erstwhile religion, which is like the longest low-hanging fruit bullshit in the book.

I'm hoping she eats Biden alive and drops out and endorses *during* the debate, then sidles up to Bernie at his own lectern, whereupon both don crowns of laurel and make a live blood oath

whatever gets you to the polls

I tip my hat. But not my vote.

I'm hoping she eats Biden alive and drops out and endorses *during* the debate, then sidles up to Bernie at his own lectern, whereupon both don crowns of laurel and make a live blood oath

― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:24 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

wow otm

I'm not so much voting for Alfred ITT as I am voting against Simon H.

― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:49 AM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sad to see H. on H. crime

Trump and Sanders share similar New York mannerisms, if Sanders got criticized for the way he comports himself and Trump didn't I'd say there was a hint of something hinky going.

I think it's a big stretch to call "shouty" an anti-semitic slur. He actually is shouty, and so are lots of people who aren't Jewish. Is it anti-semitic to call Bloomberg irritable?

But for sure if he becomes the nominee, there will a sewer full of full-on anti-semitism headed his way.

I heard that Sanders is in the pocket of Big Jew.

I have definitely been described by people as "east coast" in disposition or sensibility or whatever, and while I'm sure it was meant innocently I also suspected what they meant was "Jewish."

I should have investigated this more, but during my dad's last visit (he's an old NYC wise-ass Jew) he seemed pretty turned off by Bernie. I assume that's for tax reasons though, not anti-semitism. He also lives in South Carolina, so I personally take the blame for Super Tuesday.

Bloomberg is Big Jew. He is too short to fit Sanders in his pockets.

he's pretty small iirc

oh, only read the first half of your post.

the internet told me he’s 5’8” 🙃

Is it anti-semitic to call Bloomberg irritable?

No, and it's not anti-semitic to say that Bloomberg with his big bags of money was trying to buy the election behind the scenes, but it's also true that while that's not an anti-semitic thing to say, it is in fact a thing lots of anti-semites were saying while he was running.

Warren's out.

Tulsi Gabbard wins the bronze medal in this year's Dem presidential race!

I don’t know that Biden is experiencing cognitive decline—I forget and flub words all time—but my guess is the media will start taking that question seriously if he becomes the nominee and Trump does this. There will be Gupta specials and panels with neurologists daily.

remember when all you had to do to prove you weren't senile was crack a joke during a debate?

I guess I knew there was no way Warren was going to make it through but I still feel sad in this moment.

remember when all you had to do to prove you weren't senile was crack a joke during a debate?

You're no Jack Kennedy

fuck. Had a michigan absentee ballot ready to go.

Warren's out.

simultaneously sad about this and thinking "thank god now the discourse can end" (it won't)

Let the chatter continue!

ok from this point forward it's a two person race, between candidates close in delegates. If Bernie can't beat Biden one-on-one then the revolution isn't quite ready yet.

In retrospect, this may have been most influential work of journalism in the presidential race https://t.co/L5NNCIXII5

— Tom Scocca (@tomscocca) March 4, 2020

It basically bodied the respectable press away from saying that the frontrunner can't string sentences together, even though boiled down what it really said is that his control over a central cognitive task that defined his life is starting to slip away

— Tom Scocca (@tomscocca) March 4, 2020

BTW I don't think Warren's out because the media erased her or mean bros on Twitter insulted her or whatevs, I just think I live in a country where most people don't want the things I want in their leaders, and I'm committed to democracy and that means I just gotta be OK with that.

my co-worker just started banging her desk and yelling NO no no no no when she saw that Warren dropped out

I was at a Biden meet-and-greet for Hillary in 2015, and he called himself a “portable gaffe machine,” except he said “machine” as “machurn.” I thought the mispronunciation was a joke (it wasn’t) and I sympathetically chuckled, and one of Biden’s minders shushed me. His dotage ain’t nothing new.

pouring one out for the PMCs

yeah, warren deserved a lot better. maybe biden or bernie will be smart and use some of her plans. same as it ever was. OH WELL.

If Bernie can't beat Biden one-on-one then the revolution isn't quite ready yet.

i think this is right. depending on where you stand, i suppose that's an indictment on either bernie and his message, or on democratic primary voters who have been leaning toward biden/klob/pete etc. but if he can't convince everyone that he's the right choice when facing only joe fucking biden, then he was never going to get masses of americans to finally overwhelm their corporate-sponsored political leaders and get a progressive agenda through congress.

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We're going to fuck around and end up with our first woman President being an anti-feminist Republican who is supported by 60% of white women and 2% of women or color.

that day is going to sting.

president nikki haley

President Tom Cotton.

I'd put money on Haley before Cotton. latter's a dweeb.

I have definitely been described by people as "east coast" in disposition or sensibility or whatever, and while I'm sure it was meant innocently I also suspected what they meant was "Jewish."

― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:08 AM (one hour ago)

probably yeah

In my experience in the Midwest, what happens is that people absorb anti-Semitic stereotypes as stereotypes about "people from New York" and literally don't know they are talking about Jews.

What a surprise:

Former Vice President Joe Biden has amassed a staggering 49-point lead over Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) in Florida ahead of the state’s March 17 Democratic presidential primary, according to a survey released on Thursday by St. Pete Polls.

The poll shows Biden leading the pack of candidates with about 61 percent support in the Sunshine State. His nearest rival in the poll, former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, registered at 13.5 percent. Bloomberg ended his campaign on Wednesday after a poor showing on Super Tuesday and has since endorsed Biden.

Sanders notched only 12 percent in the poll, just about on par with the 13 percent he scored in a similar St. Pete Polls survey released last week.

Better Biden than Bloomberg tbh

Also:

The St. Pete Polls survey released last week showed him with more than 19 percent support among Hispanic voters in the Sunshine State. The poll released on Thursday, however, shows that support dropping to single digits at 8.5 percent.

That drop may reflect the backlash to comments Sanders made last month praising the late Cuban dictator Fidel Castro’s investments in health care and education during his reign. Those remarks are seen as particularly taboo in Florida, where hundreds of thousands of Cuban refugees fled to following the revolution that put Castro in power.

In another worrisome sign for Sanders, the poll shows him with only about 13.5 percent support among voters between the ages of 18 and 29 in Florida. In many other parts of the country, the Vermont senator leads among those voters.

xp:

Warren was the only one adopting the best plans from other candidates this election. Gov. Inslee's climate plan. Sen Gillibrad's paternal-leave plan, Kamala Harris's reproductive health care plan. Julián Castro's affordable health care plan.

I rode into her camp with Inslee's climate plan, which remains the best. But I don't expect her plans to influence the rest of the campaign.

xps:

Still think Warren would have made the best president of any candidate in the last two electoral cycles. But this cycle was one driven by fear rather than aspiration. The risk of a 7/2 conservative supreme court (and similarly obstructive lower federal judiciary) is too high a cost for not doing everything to win. We'll rely on familiarity (and for some groups, trust), and do our best to ignore the senility.

wish her plan to get rid of the filibuster had some influence

Still think Warren would have made the best president of any candidate in the last two electoral cycles

me too

^^ that should be Julián Castro's affordable housing plan above.

voters between the ages of 18 and 29 in Florida

Yeah but that's, what, 2% of the electorate there?