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Wild day, mostly viewed through Facebook, ilx, and group chats w friends who have been and remain Bernie skeptical. I wonder if the Bernouts would be caping for Biden and his surrogates if Warren was a strong front runner going into Super Tuesday and Joe caught up to her in the same fashion, all while Sanders came in third in his own state?

Maybe psychos on Twitter? Who knows, idgaf. But speaking personally? No. I’d be back to full-on Liz lad. Because policy matters. And the guy who will 1000% put SS on the chopping block if he thinks it will get him a photo op and prove he’s the guy who Made Republicans ‘Normal’ Again is a Bad Choice, regardless of who endorses him at this point.

Starting to think this wasn’t ever really about “No Old White Guys Pls”

Bernie rude tho

protestors were criticizing Obama-era deportations and asked Biden to say he’d end all deportations — which he rejected

This is hardly a surprise to anyone reading this thread. Not sure what level of additional outrage is being requested here. The dilemma isn't whether to support Biden during the nomination process. It only arises if he gets the nomination. Thank god that won't arise for months, yet. His lead is hardly insurmountable.

i don't think that i can take it
cos it took so long to make it
and i'll never have the delegates again

That was in response to the idea that saying a Representative who endorsed Biden didn't share Bernie's politics was a sign he would be incapable of governing.

an idea about saying what about whom?

Good Biden impression, spot on

In that brief window Post-Nevada should Bernie have struck while the iron was hot and posited himeself as the unity candidate? Got some establishment endorsements of his own (other than Bill de Blasio)?.

The camp seems to have underestimated Biden's South Carolina bump - which everyone knew was coming, but maybe the thinking was SC was too close to Super Tuesday to have a significant effect?

She voted for Reagan twice and HW Bush, it's not like she cast a ballot for Fightin Bob LaFollette. Republicans were already deeply into their horrible sociopath phase.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:40 AM (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just to flog this horse a bit more, I'd be shocked if Bernie had voted for Carter, Dukakis, and Mondale. And it'd be crazy to criticize him for his votes for President 30-40 years ago.

Can the momentum in the Democratic race shift again?

Well, yes, obviously!!

But:

1) Biden's delegate lead may be nontrivial depending on where we end up in CA
2) In the short term, Biden will probably *gain* further ground in polls as a result of last night

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) March 4, 2020

Still hoping for a comeback in Michigan. Sanders did it before! But if not, then the progressive movement has squandered the best possibility they'll ever have for the presidency... And honestly, Sanders will have to take his share of the blame in order to learn from it so it never happens again.

you mean when he runs in 2024?

Bernard is very fit, could live till 100.

Just to flog this horse a bit more, I'd be shocked if Bernie had voted for Carter, Dukakis, and Mondale. And it'd be crazy to criticize him for his votes for President 30-40 years ago.

― symsymsym, Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:16 AM (thirty-five minutes ago)

wiki says bernie issued a "lukewarm" endorsement of mondale, at least

did he now! interesting.

Sanders told The Gadfly that endorsing the Democratic ticket in 1984 and "campaigning for Mondale [...] was a very difficult thing to do."

"When I'd go around talking about Walter Mondale I would say that if elected president, I felt, Walter Mondale was going to be a pretty bad president," explained Sanders. "Now sometimes you may have to make painful decisions."

"If you go around saying that Mondale would be a great president, you would be a liar and a hypocrite," concluded Sanders. "That is not what I was saying."

misleading url alert:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech

Oh my fucking god pic.twitter.com/EjgtMgLQs9

— vlad the chemtrailer (@reborn_vlad) March 4, 2020

Virginia:

In Virginia, exit polls show that Mr. Biden dominated across gender, race and educational lines. He had support from men and women, white and black people, college graduates and non-graduates alike by double-digit margins over Mr. Sanders. In fact, in most of the demographic categories that Mr. Biden won, his share of the vote was larger than Mr. Sanders’s and Ms. Warren’s combined.

Even more significantly, Mr. Biden made major inroads among Mr. Sanders’s core constituencies. For instance, Hispanic voters — who went overwhelmingly for Mr. Sanders in the Nevada caucuses — actually went for Mr. Biden by about 13 percentage points in the Virginia primary. And even among voters who described themselves as very liberal, Mr. Sanders won by only about 4 percentage points.

The only major demographic group that Mr. Sanders won in Virginia was young voters.

I think it’s fun that people think Bernie’s 40-year-old political affiliations will be more harmful than Biden’s much more recent positions and votes.

Sort of doubt anyone on here is voting for Biden in the primary

I suspect no one here is even... Biden-curious

I agree with milo that it seems like a fourth disingenuous thing for people to act like it is Sanders who has a "fuck all y'all" attitude bc he said "I respect him but his politics aren't mine" about someone who just endorsed his opponent (and possibly tried to smear him as racist) when it is Biden who repeatedly does things like this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/29/joe-biden-go-vote-for-someone-else

Gah, who the fuck cares. Anyone that doesn't vote for Biden because of his record, or doesn't vote for Sanders because of his record, let alone their bad attitudes or sour grapes, is being ridiculous, because both of their records are miles better than the current default asshole, and no matter what, one of the three is probably going to be the next president no matter how much people grouse. But it seems fair to say that the wing most likely to sit this one out out of spite is young voters who supported Sanders, but if that wing were reliable voters there wouldn't be so much grousing going on right now in the first place.

(and possibly tried to smear him as racist)

Uh, yeah, let's just drop this idea right here and now, because otherwise we might just drop this whole project

I don’t know that Biden is experiencing cognitive decline—I forget and flub words all time—but my guess is the media will start taking that question seriously if he becomes the nominee and Trump does this. There will be Gupta specials and panels with neurologists daily. https://t.co/lk60rp4bPl

— Every Billionaire Is A Policy Failure (@DanRiffle) March 5, 2020

this of course ignores the fact that trump’s brain is melted Swiss cheese, but what hope do we have if our candidate doesn’t have the “my brain works properly” advantage

how’s everybody doing today

Rollin' up my sleeves, workin' on my hot + controversial takes. Let's DO this shit.

I think Hillary should jump back in the ring, personally. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

someone do a Bernie v Biden poll.

i’m thinking the Results May Surprise You

I read some people saying a lot of the weird coverage Sanders gets for being “shouty” or “pushy” leans on antisemitic tropes. Not an expert on this, is there any truth to this? I know how brain worms are in play re coverage with any leftist candidate, but honestly it all applies to Biden so much more!

blue checks on here gonna say that "mean tweets" did Sanders in. Biden called someone at his town hall fat and a damn liar and poked a steyer voter in the chest. he also told a member of Movimiento Cosecha to "go vote for Trump" for confronting him on immigration. in person.

— Trenton Hassles Carmelo (@TrentonHassles) March 4, 2020

Yeah, Biden has gotten real shouty in his dotage. I don't think the label applies to one dude more than the other. It's just what happens as dudes age. A steady increase of fist shaking and cloud shouting.

I'm not so much voting for Alfred ITT as I am voting against Simon H.

one of the three is probably going to be the next president

So is this "cranky old white guy election" worse news for

A. Clouds

B. Kids on their lawns

C. The nation, and by extension the future of humankind

D. Hen fap

We may need a poll

(Also, again, not something I know much about but calling them “two old white guys” just...ignores the fact that Bernie is Jewish and that does matter. It’ll certainly matter if he’s the nominee.)

He’s Jewish. Please don’t forget that, because all the wrong people sure won’t.

— Mara “Get Rid of the Nazis” Wilson (@MaraWilson) March 4, 2020

I'm not so much voting for Alfred ITT as I am voting against Simon H.

― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Thursday, March 5, 2020

oh brutha!

I'm not so much voting for Alfred ITT as I am voting against Simon H.

whatever gets you to the polls

lol, OTM!

It just goes to show how much pointless bullshit is swirling around when of all the bullshit no one has really gotten around to Sanders' erstwhile religion, which is like the longest low-hanging fruit bullshit in the book.

shhh don't tell them!

At least if he loses the primary, they'll never get to it...

read a theory that Warren and Sanders will spend next week's debate eviscerating Biden's past stances, she will drop out the next day, and then the following day endorse and be named as Sander's prospective VP. Nice theory, not sure it'll happen, but it could put wind in Sanders' sails.

lol its so much what i want to happen that it feels like fanfiction

The next round of states vote on tuesday the 10th, and the next debate is on the 15th, so it's too late

i mean at the very least i do think they're both gonna try to eat biden alive at the debate

Biden closed the gap and then some in just three days

It just goes to show how much pointless bullshit is swirling around when of all the bullshit no one has really gotten around to Sanders' erstwhile religion, which is like the longest low-hanging fruit bullshit in the book.

I'm hoping she eats Biden alive and drops out and endorses *during* the debate, then sidles up to Bernie at his own lectern, whereupon both don crowns of laurel and make a live blood oath

whatever gets you to the polls

I tip my hat. But not my vote.

I'm hoping she eats Biden alive and drops out and endorses *during* the debate, then sidles up to Bernie at his own lectern, whereupon both don crowns of laurel and make a live blood oath

― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:24 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

wow otm

I'm not so much voting for Alfred ITT as I am voting against Simon H.

― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:49 AM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sad to see H. on H. crime