Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

No one is suggesting you shouldn't vote for the soupbrain.

i'm not even convinced I'm going to have to yet, regardless of what 538's current odds say

If you do, it's not going to be because some people at a Rachel Maddow watch party in Michigan saw Bernie say he likes and respects Clyburn.
And if you don't and President Bernie struggles to get Clyburn to vote for Medicare4All, it's not going to be because he said he likes and respects him.

Slow-cooker brain chili on the other hand

if I do it's gonna be because Bernie read this thread and fuckin' shot himself

xpost?

*shrug*

this has been the longest month in american history

hey you guuuuuuuuys

https://i.imgur.com/tlfAqgp.jpg

If you do, it's not going to be because some people at a Rachel Maddow watch party in Michigan saw Bernie say he likes and respects Clyburn.
And if you don't and President Bernie struggles to get Clyburn to vote for Medicare4All, it's not going to be because he said he likes and respects him.

xpost not a perfectly clean shave

https://i.imgur.com/i4Qtg5u.jpg whooooao!
https://i.imgur.com/GP4Hr0K.jpg aaaaaay
https://i.imgur.com/hrP5EXg.jpg aahhhhh
https://i.imgur.com/1aFhK41.jpg aaaaagggghhhh!!
https://i.imgur.com/rJHrz2p.jpg hahaaaaaaaa!

they're coming to take me away, ha-ha

"There are two types of progressives. Those who think they need to do more organizing and get better at persuading voters. And those who think voters who don't agree with them right now are sheep who've been duped." - Seth Cotlar

- Wayne Gretzky

M-O-O-N

that spells

brokered convention

Laws!

Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious [Started by A is for (Aimless) in January 2020

I'm beginning to feel like the owner of the garage where the Valentine's Day Massacre took place.

is this the point where it is pointed out that bernie (and, to be fair, biden) has something like a >70% favorability rating

If anything, all of this hubbub just underscores my belief that (in a perfect world) the GOP finally marginalizes itself all the way to the fringes of viability as the centrists move slightly further right to fill the void and the dems ultimately split into the new two parties of our two-party system. NB, this will probably take longer than any of us will be alive, but it will definitely happen at some point immediately after the last of us has shuffled off this mortal coil. I guarantee it.

Your religion sounds cool

We have t-shirts and everything.

Wild day, mostly viewed through Facebook, ilx, and group chats w friends who have been and remain Bernie skeptical. I wonder if the Bernouts would be caping for Biden and his surrogates if Warren was a strong front runner going into Super Tuesday and Joe caught up to her in the same fashion, all while Sanders came in third in his own state?

Maybe psychos on Twitter? Who knows, idgaf. But speaking personally? No. I’d be back to full-on Liz lad. Because policy matters. And the guy who will 1000% put SS on the chopping block if he thinks it will get him a photo op and prove he’s the guy who Made Republicans ‘Normal’ Again is a Bad Choice, regardless of who endorses him at this point.

Starting to think this wasn’t ever really about “No Old White Guys Pls”

Bernie rude tho

protestors were criticizing Obama-era deportations and asked Biden to say he’d end all deportations — which he rejected

This is hardly a surprise to anyone reading this thread. Not sure what level of additional outrage is being requested here. The dilemma isn't whether to support Biden during the nomination process. It only arises if he gets the nomination. Thank god that won't arise for months, yet. His lead is hardly insurmountable.

i don't think that i can take it
cos it took so long to make it
and i'll never have the delegates again

That was in response to the idea that saying a Representative who endorsed Biden didn't share Bernie's politics was a sign he would be incapable of governing.

an idea about saying what about whom?

Good Biden impression, spot on

In that brief window Post-Nevada should Bernie have struck while the iron was hot and posited himeself as the unity candidate? Got some establishment endorsements of his own (other than Bill de Blasio)?.

The camp seems to have underestimated Biden's South Carolina bump - which everyone knew was coming, but maybe the thinking was SC was too close to Super Tuesday to have a significant effect?

She voted for Reagan twice and HW Bush, it's not like she cast a ballot for Fightin Bob LaFollette. Republicans were already deeply into their horrible sociopath phase.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:40 AM (twelve hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Just to flog this horse a bit more, I'd be shocked if Bernie had voted for Carter, Dukakis, and Mondale. And it'd be crazy to criticize him for his votes for President 30-40 years ago.

Can the momentum in the Democratic race shift again?

Well, yes, obviously!!

But:

1) Biden's delegate lead may be nontrivial depending on where we end up in CA
2) In the short term, Biden will probably *gain* further ground in polls as a result of last night

— Nate Silver (@NateSilver538) March 4, 2020

Still hoping for a comeback in Michigan. Sanders did it before! But if not, then the progressive movement has squandered the best possibility they'll ever have for the presidency... And honestly, Sanders will have to take his share of the blame in order to learn from it so it never happens again.

you mean when he runs in 2024?

Bernard is very fit, could live till 100.

Just to flog this horse a bit more, I'd be shocked if Bernie had voted for Carter, Dukakis, and Mondale. And it'd be crazy to criticize him for his votes for President 30-40 years ago.

― symsymsym, Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:16 AM (thirty-five minutes ago)

wiki says bernie issued a "lukewarm" endorsement of mondale, at least

did he now! interesting.

Sanders told The Gadfly that endorsing the Democratic ticket in 1984 and "campaigning for Mondale [...] was a very difficult thing to do."

"When I'd go around talking about Walter Mondale I would say that if elected president, I felt, Walter Mondale was going to be a pretty bad president," explained Sanders. "Now sometimes you may have to make painful decisions."

"If you go around saying that Mondale would be a great president, you would be a liar and a hypocrite," concluded Sanders. "That is not what I was saying."

misleading url alert:
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ilanbenmeir/bernie-sanders-despised-democrats-in-1980s-said-a-jfk-speech

Oh my fucking god pic.twitter.com/EjgtMgLQs9

— vlad the chemtrailer (@reborn_vlad) March 4, 2020

Virginia:

In Virginia, exit polls show that Mr. Biden dominated across gender, race and educational lines. He had support from men and women, white and black people, college graduates and non-graduates alike by double-digit margins over Mr. Sanders. In fact, in most of the demographic categories that Mr. Biden won, his share of the vote was larger than Mr. Sanders’s and Ms. Warren’s combined.

Even more significantly, Mr. Biden made major inroads among Mr. Sanders’s core constituencies. For instance, Hispanic voters — who went overwhelmingly for Mr. Sanders in the Nevada caucuses — actually went for Mr. Biden by about 13 percentage points in the Virginia primary. And even among voters who described themselves as very liberal, Mr. Sanders won by only about 4 percentage points.

The only major demographic group that Mr. Sanders won in Virginia was young voters.

I think it’s fun that people think Bernie’s 40-year-old political affiliations will be more harmful than Biden’s much more recent positions and votes.

Sort of doubt anyone on here is voting for Biden in the primary

I suspect no one here is even... Biden-curious

I agree with milo that it seems like a fourth disingenuous thing for people to act like it is Sanders who has a "fuck all y'all" attitude bc he said "I respect him but his politics aren't mine" about someone who just endorsed his opponent (and possibly tried to smear him as racist) when it is Biden who repeatedly does things like this:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jan/29/joe-biden-go-vote-for-someone-else

Gah, who the fuck cares. Anyone that doesn't vote for Biden because of his record, or doesn't vote for Sanders because of his record, let alone their bad attitudes or sour grapes, is being ridiculous, because both of their records are miles better than the current default asshole, and no matter what, one of the three is probably going to be the next president no matter how much people grouse. But it seems fair to say that the wing most likely to sit this one out out of spite is young voters who supported Sanders, but if that wing were reliable voters there wouldn't be so much grousing going on right now in the first place.

(and possibly tried to smear him as racist)

Uh, yeah, let's just drop this idea right here and now, because otherwise we might just drop this whole project

I don’t know that Biden is experiencing cognitive decline—I forget and flub words all time—but my guess is the media will start taking that question seriously if he becomes the nominee and Trump does this. There will be Gupta specials and panels with neurologists daily. https://t.co/lk60rp4bPl

— Every Billionaire Is A Policy Failure (@DanRiffle) March 5, 2020

this of course ignores the fact that trump’s brain is melted Swiss cheese, but what hope do we have if our candidate doesn’t have the “my brain works properly” advantage

how’s everybody doing today

Rollin' up my sleeves, workin' on my hot + controversial takes. Let's DO this shit.

I think Hillary should jump back in the ring, personally. Sorry, that's just how I feel.

someone do a Bernie v Biden poll.

i’m thinking the Results May Surprise You

I read some people saying a lot of the weird coverage Sanders gets for being “shouty” or “pushy” leans on antisemitic tropes. Not an expert on this, is there any truth to this? I know how brain worms are in play re coverage with any leftist candidate, but honestly it all applies to Biden so much more!

blue checks on here gonna say that "mean tweets" did Sanders in. Biden called someone at his town hall fat and a damn liar and poked a steyer voter in the chest. he also told a member of Movimiento Cosecha to "go vote for Trump" for confronting him on immigration. in person.

— Trenton Hassles Carmelo (@TrentonHassles) March 4, 2020