Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

South Carolina already voted, Alfred, and I'm pretty sure there's a no takesies backsies clause in endorsements (or else Julian Castro would have been on stage with Beto, Pete and Amy).

Oh ffs xxp

There are other constituencies besides South Carolina's. Besides, why the hell would you piss of Jim Clyburn? There's blue communities in even red states.

*off

Love to piss ppl off by telling them I respect and admire them

I mean, positioning against his own party is effective bc shit, you can position against the GOP these days just by not kicking puppies, and “uncompromising” is a huge part of the appeal.

So it’s a feature not a bug, but it’s why the ceiling.

That's political doublespeak for "piss off" xpost c'mon Simon

lads

Xxxpost it's almost if the "his politics aren't mine" made any admiration feel a bit cloying

He's so mean!!

I don't know what seems most disingenuous:
- acting like Sanders is even implicitly or inadvertently referring to individual African-American Southern voters when he talks about the Establishment
- a 30-year Congressman and Chairman of Outreach for the Senate Democrats making a point of railing against the Establishment in his second Presidential run
- concluding that a strong showing by the person who was the frontrunner for almost the whole cycle, mostly in states where he was expected to do well, proves anything about the efficacy of the anti-Establishment rhetoric and strategy of his rival

There are no other states where Clyburn matters even remotely as much as South Carolina.

It's also, most importantly, a factually accurate statement. Nor would it 'piss him off,' you're crafting an elaborate narrative for absolutely no reason.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESUEXW2UMAAfhxG?format=jpg&name=small

President Sanders will need to work with Clyburn and his bloc -- that's my point, dudes.

looking as if you're enduring an intestinal cramp while growling the answer is stupid politics

I'm going to go ahead and say it's incredibly insulting to suggest that Clyburn would vote against Sanders agenda because 14 months earlier in a spot with Rachel Maddow Bernie didn't properly kiss his ass.

(Rather than because his donors oppose Sanders's signature legislation...)

I think all Alfred is saying is that it's politically clumsy. If you think it's effective and a good way forward, fine. It's certainly in keeping with the fuck-all-y'all tone of the "movement," so I guess we'll just see if that's an effective path to winning the nomination.

otm

It's not politically good, it's not politically clumsy, it's not actually anything. You're divining from tea leaves.

Kinda seems like it's more about entering a bargaining stage to make yourselves feel better about voting for Biden - in the primary or in November. It's not you, it's mean old Bernie's fault you had to pull the lever.

It’s an exemplar of why the dem electorate feels queasy about giving Sanders the nom. That’s not tea leaf reading, it’s extrapolation

Grow up

How can anyone be comfortable with incendiary rhetoric like "our politics are not the same"?!

Mmm give Sanders nomz Sanders hungwyyy

Y'all gonna pretend to not get what the other person is saying all night?

There's VFW Bingo nights for that

http://www.achewood.com/index.php?date=03162004

why the dem electorate feels queasy about giving Sanders the nom.

The anti-Bernie moderates aren't exactly a small wing

Nor are the pro-Bernie progressives! It's almost like the popular vote looks like it will be pretty close after Super Tuesday counting, with Virginia and Alabama accounting for half of Biden's popular lead.

yeah well I AGREE WITH THAT

milo has to be up against it with somebody or he ceases to exist

now i'm down in it

So if it's close then it might be a bit early to think one sentence in a Rachel Maddow bit means anything.

Whereas you have and are going to get months of Biden telling people to suck it buttercup

“You should vote for Trump,” Joe Biden tells @CosechaMovement protester Carlos Rojas at tonight’s town hall in Greenwood, S.C.

Rojas and other protesters from the group were criticizing Obama-era deportations and asked Biden to say he’d end all deportations — which he rejected. pic.twitter.com/od188WIlrQ

— Eric Bradner (@ericbradner) November 22, 2019

Extrapolating "Fuck you I hate you and never needed or wanted your support, DICK!" from an interview quote as anodyne as "I respect and admire this man but our politics clearly aren't as closely aligned as I might've wished (as clearly evidenced by the fact he endorsed his direct opposition in the end!!)" is... distressingly disingenuous at best and delusionally narcissistic gaslighting at worst.

Anyone using THAT as justification or evidence for feeling "queasy" or hesitant about giving Sanders the nomination is ...clearly not someone who was ever going to be comfortable giving him the nomination regardless of anything he did or said and should be honest with themselves and anyone in close proximity of them and just admit that. Cause it's perfectly OK! Everyone's entitled to like and vote for whomever they like regardless of whatever their personal reasons for doing so! No need to resort to this level of all-time galactic reaching or willful misinterpretation/disingenuous tea leaf divining to mask it as something otherwise.

a bargaining stage to make yourselves feel better about voting for Biden - in the primary or in November

Sort of doubt anyone on here is voting for Biden in the primary. But I don't need anything to make me feel better about voting for Biden in November, if his name is the one that's on the ballot. The idea that anyone who pretends to be any kind of leftist/progressive of any stripe would even consider NOT doing that under our current circumstances makes my brain hurt. I'd be happier if the name was Bernie's, but I will have zero hesitation about that vote, no matter who it is.

Always a joy to get ranted at by random people who have no idea who or what I actually support, now or in the very recent past.

distressingly disingenuous at best and delusionally narcissistic gaslighting at worst

can we reorder your adverb-adjective combinations

xps that's funny because you start that post with an absurdly exaggerated extrapolation

if my vote is between two politicians with varying degrees of soup brain, and these are my only choices, I might vote for the soup brain that isn't an authoritarian with white nationalists in his cabinet, who let thousands of Puerto Ricans die cos their politicians were mean to him.

if our soupbrain can at least nominate a SCOTUS judge that the Dem party doesn't find abhorrent and veto shitty conservative legislation should the Pubies unfortunately get both chambers back at some point, well....it's not a lot but it's something.

did someone just create an account just for the honor of arguing with Alfred?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrCppWWmIGQ

I've got

TWO SABRES TO PA-RA-DIIISSSE

No one is suggesting you shouldn't vote for the soupbrain.

i'm not even convinced I'm going to have to yet, regardless of what 538's current odds say

If you do, it's not going to be because some people at a Rachel Maddow watch party in Michigan saw Bernie say he likes and respects Clyburn.
And if you don't and President Bernie struggles to get Clyburn to vote for Medicare4All, it's not going to be because he said he likes and respects him.

Slow-cooker brain chili on the other hand

if I do it's gonna be because Bernie read this thread and fuckin' shot himself

xpost?

*shrug*

this has been the longest month in american history

hey you guuuuuuuuys

https://i.imgur.com/tlfAqgp.jpg

If you do, it's not going to be because some people at a Rachel Maddow watch party in Michigan saw Bernie say he likes and respects Clyburn.
And if you don't and President Bernie struggles to get Clyburn to vote for Medicare4All, it's not going to be because he said he likes and respects him.

xpost not a perfectly clean shave