Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

I say it's twelve years from 89 to 01 and I call it the time inbetween the wall and the towers.

if I were an incrementalist I might look at how the last 12 years have gone and have an honest self-reassessment

he was a regressive cunt and a Bush brother

*applause*

Wow! Do it again Tombot!

the Aristocrats!

lol

Bernie OTM

Bernie Sanders: "Elizabeth Warren is a very, very excellent senator. She has run a strong campaign. She will make her own decision in her own time."

On the vitriol toward her: "I'm disgusted by it," he says.

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) March 4, 2020

I am dismayed to see the Democrats are coalescing around such a radical, untrustworthy blowhard, especially after his shabby treatment of that nice boy I found working out at the gym.

i'll be in I Love Baseball

go to hell, rationalizers

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 AM (two hours ago)

hi Morbs

― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:48 AM (thirty-one minutes ago)

he was a regressive cunt and a Bush brother

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:16 AM (three minutes ago)

https://youtu.be/gv01acj25MU?t=12

To take it all the way back to milo’s decision to slay me righteously as a member of the Comfortable Class:

I wasn't trying to slay you righteously, I was stating what I see as reality - it's easy to be 'adult' when the stakes are lower for you personally. We're all comfortable accepting this math when it comes to race or gender, but class is still pretty much verboten or you're appealing to Trumpers if you even mention it or whatever. All of them enter into the equation and all of them are legitimate.

As to incrementalism, I don't see how it's even remotely true that that's the only methodology that sticks. The New Deal (which stuck around for decades), Social Security (still here), Medicare (still here), the CRA and VRAs (god help us all) were all fast, radical changes. Overnight, the Bidens of the world became pro-gay marriage and it wasn't a slow and steady process for them. Incrementalist social welfare is constantly on the chopping block and has been repeatedly rolled back.

Bernie very much otm througout that thread. It's a good thread. Hope Bernie wins on tuesday.

The New Deal (which stuck around for decades), Social Security (still here), Medicare (still here), the CRA and VRAs (god help us all) were all fast, radical changes.

iirc certain economic deprivations helped

Cuba's still communist and every Latin American country that tried a little nationalization, for a treat, got CIA death squads.

love that bernie thread. my president

The Assault Weapons Ban was as incremental as it gets expired and yet still became a rallying point for a generation of psychopaths to become even more deranged.
The radical, written basically overnight PATRIOT Act is going to be governing the structure of cockroach society in 3700 AD.

ouch:

House Majority Whip James Clyburn has had many productive conversations with Sen. Bernie Sanders during their shared years in Congress. But when it came to seeking the influential South Carolina endorsement, the Vermont senator didn’t make a concerted effort.

“No, not really,” Clyburn told The Daily Beast in an interview when asked if Sanders or his campaign staff did anything specific to court him ahead of the influential Feb. 29 primary.

“I had a lot of conversations with almost every one of the candidates,” he said, referencing nearly two dozen candidates, including Sanders, who attended his “World Famous Fish Fry” in Columbia in June.

But Clyburn acknowledged the outreach didn’t go much beyond that.

“I don’t need to be courted,” he said.

The congressman wields tremendous influence in South Carolina, the first of the four early voting states with a large African American population. Elected in the early 1990s, he’s been a powerful force in southern politics for decades, with Democrats in the state broadly acknowledging that his backing is one of the most coveted election gets

and the knife:

“I find it very interesting that someone is referring to African American voters in South Carolina as the establishment,” Clyburn said. “I don’t understand how that vote can be dismissed.”

he's been in his seat for a quarter of a century, is that not "established"?

...

It'd be ridiculous to call individual voters "the establishment", we're calling the establishment the establishment

I actually think silby, in his garbled way, is correct, but it shows how Sanders' obsession with The Establishment did him n.

*in

I'm not garbled!

I'm pretty garbled.

South Carolina's political machine is certainly part of 'the establishment.'

That Clyburn framed the last line that way makes it pretty obvious that he wasn't starting from a neutral position with Sanders.

you guys see what you are implying, right? that Southern black voters are the enemy?

xps

I specifically didn't imply that, I implied that it's ridiculous for the House majority whip to spin attacks on the Party establishment as attacks on his voters

this might be a bad time to reveal this, and I realize it could sink my candidacy but I'd rather you hear it from me


I've never had a negroni

spin attacks on the Party establishment as attacks on his voters

except that, per polling, a large majority of those voters listened to him - they *are* his voters in a lot of ways, because they trust him and he has delivered for them.

Sanders is attacking The Establishment because The Establishment doesn't support Sanders and therefore are, yes, his enemy, for the time being

how I break it down to an extent

the Democratic establishment isn't a fake idea! they exist! and protect child rapists!

Sanders is attacking The Establishment because The Establishment doesn't support Sanders and therefore are, yes, his enemy, for the time being

that's a funny way to try and win votes, doesn't seem to be working as great as he expected

I mean, evidently!

except that, per polling, a large majority of those voters listened to him - they *are* his voters in a lot of ways, because they trust him and he has delivered for them.

... yes, that's pretty much the definition of how political machines work.

Is it bigoted against Mormons to talk about Harry Reid's Nevada machine?

By your own argument, that South Carolina's black voters were going to follow Clyburn's lead regardless - that makes any comment on 'the establishment' not about the voters themselves.

I know some people miss the glory of the machine years but machines are bad not good

and not only because they prop up and protect child rapists

a political machine where an elected official delivers for his constituency doesn't sound so bad to me

comparing Mormons to African Americans re: discrimination... man I dunno where to start w that

xps

I know it's been a rough day but you two are all over the place

the Mormons were violently chased out of multiple states iirc

here, take this shovel

I didn’t say machines were bad or good. They exist, it’s that simple. They and their leaders do benefit from the maintenance of current power structures. Kind of like... an ‘establishment.’

There was no comparison or mention of discrimination, Shakey.

split hairs all you want, equating Mormons with African Americans is stupid and no one should do it

cool straw man you found I guess

thought Gen Xers hated the establishment what gives

I've never had a negroni

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown

wait, can we go back to this

me neither

Here's the thing with machine (Tammany Hall, etc).

They're corrupt, but they feed and clothe poor people, especially non-white people.