Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

HRC was ahead by over 600 delegates after Super Tues 2016!: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2016/03/02/politics/super-tuesday-results-primary-delegate-race/index.html

It's a gut punch from the quick endorsements and coordinated ad/media strategy from several angles. If it had been a straight Biden/Bernie (or Any Moderate/Bernie) situation from New Hampshire onward, reactions would be less severe.

Bernie isn't out but he probably really really really needs to win in Michigan on tuesday. And the last poll showed Biden overtaking his lead, iirc. But he pulled it off four years ago, so let's keep our fingers crossed!

If it had been a straight Biden/Bernie scenario in New Hampshire Biden would have probably won, btw

I will admit it is a tremendous relief that the Buy The Election Outright approach turned out to be a bust

this is pretty shocking

Joe Biden explains why Bernie Sanders is the best to beat Trump.

(Yes, this is Joe 4 years ago.. I know it's strange watching him talk in full sentences.) pic.twitter.com/5zhs1eYvFu

— Aisha Sharna (@SharnaAisha) March 4, 2020

as I've mentioned before in this thread I've seen Biden make various talk show appearances in '16 and '17 and found myself wishing he'd run

I teach a class and ILX happens.

There's a killer ad just waiting to be cut from that. (Sprinkle in some Obama while yer at it.)

What percentage of voters in the general are independent and how much do they matter?

In Oregon a very large percentage of the voters are registered as unaffiliated, with a few minor parties thrown in for spice, despite the fact of Oregon having closed primaries - something that penalizes them for their lack of major party affiliation, but nevertheless they persist. From that perspective, there are tons of independent voters.

Functionally speaking, almost all those unaffiliated voters tend to vote nearly a straight ticket for one or the other two major parties. From that perspective, the independents are as polarized as the two major parties are.

independent voters are dumbasses

no, they know nothing matters and what if it did

I will admit it is a tremendous relief that the Buy The Election Outright approach turned out to be a bust

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:02 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This can't be stated strongly enough. May it give every other bored Richie Rich second thoughts about similarly pissing their money away.

I need a party that won't drive me crazy.

One that won't make me sick
One that won't make me crash my car
Or make me feel three feet thick

independent voters are dumbasses

ah that reliable ILX nuance

Some party that knows the meaning of, uh “Hey, hit the highway”

My friends, can I interest you in some literature about my good friend, Lyndon LaRouche?

Well, if you change your mind, I'll be in this lawn chair outside the post office all day, and every day for the foreseeable future.

Man, if I'd known a LaRouche reference was all it took to kill this thread stone dead I'da done everyone the favor first thing this morning.

We all spent our lunch breaks furiously crossposting, now everyone is faking a dry cough so they can start drinking before the rush

This is why you need more posters from different time zones btw

First Negroni in an hour!

Warren changing her vague and leftover Republican registration late in life due to realising things and changing her mind is one of the very best things about her, not a disqualifier. Most people don't learn shit the older they get, and even more refuse to acknowledge they have changed, bcz they think it makes them look dumb.

Sanders has often sounded more as if he believes he’s leading his movement in a hostile takeover of the party than a merger with it.

this is also one of Bernie's best features, but yeah it was a misstep to actively campaign on it in the last two weeks.

I feel like that line of argument can't explain why black voters went for Biden?

old black voters in the south are a different demographic from, eg, young black voters in LA. it's not analytically useful to look at who "white voters" went for.

it's like if we'd all agreed to start reading local newspaper comments sections again and spent half the day performatively rolling our eyes at the moronic shit some uninformed and venom-filled insurance salesman in topeka just posted under the local news's reporting about the closing of the Gadsden Galleria Mall. like wtf are we doing here? who cares what these people think? why are any of them being invoked to win arguments? we're smarter than that! ilx can be a space to... not do that!

Dr Casino otm. anyone posting disparagingly itt abt what "berniebros" are saying needs to provide at least 100 citations. every politician ever has loads of idiot or obnoxious supporters, because loads of people are idiots or obnoxious, and loads of perfectly nice people act like idiots or obnoxious dicks if you ask them about two specific topics.

i'll be in I Love Baseball

go to hell, rationalizers

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 AM (one hour ago)

hi Morbs

btw I stand by the child rapist stuff from right before bedtime last night, death to child abusers in politics

(cool diversion the whole thread can enjoy: his hand-picked successor is enormously worse for the city and at her job)

i wonder what gabneb makes of all this

can I just share with everyone that I’m still chuckling to myself about k3vin’s thinking-out-loud revelation upthread that the D electorate doesn’t really want Bernie? WHAT ARE WE TO DO? truly, incrementalism is so abhorrent, better to go full misanthrope and change your handle to “dr norbius” or something.

hey man, I was being honest about my mixed feelings about how we ended up where we are, which seems to be difficult for a lot of people. I think I’ve been pretty consistent in saying people’s votes should be respected even if their votes and reasons for them are dumb. but go off!

Eh, Warren should not get bonus points because she got it wrong at first. Some of us rarely get to change our minds because we get so many things right the first time, y'know?

Believe me, I know.

Ties into how Bernie's consistency seems to offend some people, like you're dumber if you just always opposed segregation as an innate principle instead of coming to it through learned reflection.

xxpost W O W

That is a hot hot take even for Fred.

tbf he is smarter than everyone here

something you all already know but it is a decades old quote from Gloria Steinem and something that still consistently comes up, that generally "women may be the one group that grows more radical with age" and men grow more conservative due to who loses power and where it shifts.

To take it all the way back to milo’s decision to slay me righteously as a member of the Comfortable Class:

1. Certainly my family’s current socioeconomic status makes it a lot easier for me to support any Democratic candidate. We just happened to choose the most progressive one not named Bernie Sanders.

2. I would never tell anyone they were wrong for voting their conscience. I might call them stoopid if their conscience was the Green Party candidate and they lived in a swing state. I wouldn’t tell them they were wrong. Libertarians come very close to being both but in the end they’re also mostly just stoopid, not wrong.

3. My “I’m a fucking adult” remark is meant to carry two main points: that I can roll with the punches (point taken, cf 1, above) and that I recognize that the political situation we are in demands a long game, not a #revolution.

3a. Honestly that’s a reason I LIKE Warren’s phased approach to M4A, I’m inclined to incrementalist approaches because it’s almost always the only way that change ever sticks.

4. There is no small amount of magical thinking involved in believing that Bernie could accomplish the domestic policy agenda described in his rhetoric. This has been covered at length and is also a fact.

lol fred. I agree with sic btw, redemption rules and I’m glad warren is one of the good guys now

I love everyone itt, even fred. we all share a sense of despair and a need to feel superior to others which will continue to bring us together no matter what happens

if I were an incrementalist I might look at how the last 12 years have gone and have an honest self-reassessment

btw one argument in favor of Biden that I've come to realize maybe motivated a lot of people - there is way too much fucking news in our lives these days, as there has been every day since Trump started running. Biden may be ineffective and boring but he's not *evil*, while Bernie may just be 4 more years of weird infighting, whining about "socialism", and policy goals that never get done

granted it's selfish but pretty understandable imo

history stopped for about four years in the 90s and a lot of people want to get back to that

Meet me at the bar, y'all.

Sorry for being cranky last night and this morning.

I guess I'd say the End of History lasted from 1996, when effective combination antiretroviral therapy for HIV was introduced, to 9/11.

hey man, I was being honest about my mixed feelings about how we ended up where we are, which seems to be difficult for a lot of people.

Hey man, I respect your openness and how willing you were to share your thought process more or less as it happened. When it got to the part where you were like “oh shit I guess The Party Decides!” (except it’s not the party it’s voters) I mostly wanted to give you a pat on the shoulder and offer to buy you a beer.

I don’t think there was any more magical thinking among Bernie supporters regarding passing domestic policy than Warren or Biden supporters. Their ideas sound more normal than Bernie’s and might have been realistic 30 years ago, but believing that a functional Congress will sit down and hammer out a deal in 2021?

I say it's twelve years from 89 to 01 and I call it the time inbetween the wall and the towers.

if I were an incrementalist I might look at how the last 12 years have gone and have an honest self-reassessment

he was a regressive cunt and a Bush brother

*applause*

Wow! Do it again Tombot!

the Aristocrats!

lol

Bernie OTM

Bernie Sanders: "Elizabeth Warren is a very, very excellent senator. She has run a strong campaign. She will make her own decision in her own time."

On the vitriol toward her: "I'm disgusted by it," he says.

— Sahil Kapur (@sahilkapur) March 4, 2020

I am dismayed to see the Democrats are coalescing around such a radical, untrustworthy blowhard, especially after his shabby treatment of that nice boy I found working out at the gym.

i'll be in I Love Baseball

go to hell, rationalizers

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 5, 2020 5:32 AM (two hours ago)

hi Morbs

― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, March 5, 2020 7:48 AM (thirty-one minutes ago)

he was a regressive cunt and a Bush brother

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, March 5, 2020 8:16 AM (three minutes ago)

https://youtu.be/gv01acj25MU?t=12