Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

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I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration.

I disagree. The tax code has done a lot, in its humble low-key way, to promote certain ideas and values. In some aspects, the tax code is more progressive than a lot of policy. (In others it is just as conservative) Look at the TCJA changes ... assumedly a major part of this tax bill will be undoing parts of the TCJA legislation. I would be surprised if Bernie and Biden chose the same parts to focus on.

Honestly, my hope is that even if Biden wins (as opposed to Bernie), Warren gets appointed Attorney General.

or Treasury.

I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration.

lol no you don’t

i see we're already on to the "coping via fantasy" stage

go Bernie go, i say

in terms of what would actually pass with the necessary votes, that outcome seems like a fair prediction imo

xp

i interrupt this thread for a brief lol

Jesus!

Whoopi Goldberg thinks Jill Biden is a medical doctor and wants Joe to make her Surgeon General if he becomes president.

"She’s a hell of a doctor. She’s an amazing doctor!"

The rest of The View hosts have to tell her that Jill is, in fact, a teacher. pic.twitter.com/AhnMalsxCT

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) March 4, 2020

up to now the Dem primary has resembled the GOP 2016 primary, with Sanders in the Trump "disruptor" role - but the GOP establishment never coalesced behind a single candidate in 2016, allowing Trump to rack up the necessary margins. But things have diverged now that the whole center of the party has tilted to Biden. The weird (and disappointing thing) about this is that Biden's essentially winning on nothing but name recognition; up to now he's had no money, no ads, no campaign, no policies, no viral moments, no direction, no signature issues, nothing. It's remarkable how many ppl in America are just willing to go with a total vacuum because they have vague memories of the guy being kinda ok.

the vast ignorance and disinterest of huge swathes of the voting populace continues to be difficult to overestimate.

Massively successful, long-term strategic disinfo campaign by The Onion

Bernie won the meme war too

wow good times in this thread

u might call it a "circular firing squad," if we aoll were actually on the same side

O’Rourke recently endorsed Joe Biden in the Democratic primary election, and Bixler-Zavala made it clear that he does not agree with his former bandmate’s pick for the potential next President.

In an Instagram post last night, Bixler-Zavala said that he was supporting Senator Bernie Sanders in the election and, in response to a comment asking whether he denounced O’Rourke for endorsing Biden, he responded: “denounced in the comatorium,” a reference to the Mars Volta’s 2003 album De-Loused In The Comatorium.

denounced in the comatorium

vox pun explainer

my new take is that neither bernie nor biden should’ve run at all.

raise your hand if you want another fun primary in 2024

― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:47 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

that is my old take ^^^.

― Yerac, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:48 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yep yep yep. I got actually angry at both of their announcements that they were going to run. For a whole bunch of reasons, I don't think either has any business being in the race. Either/both of them could have had a big influence on it from the outside, if they'd wanted.

But here we are.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:29 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

take a minute to consider the logic behind thinking things would have shaped up better for the party if the two candidates with the most votes decided not to run

bloomberg no doubt

take a minute to consider the logic behind thinking things would have shaped up better for the party if the two candidates with the most votes decided not to run

― k3vin k., Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:06 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the democratic electorate is fired up, they would've gravitated to other candidates.

is it? i thought turn out was down.

the vast ignorance and disinterest of huge swathes of the voting populace continues to be difficult to overestimate.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 4, 2020

you're implicitly giving side eye to the minorities who felt safer with Biden

there hasn't been evidence that bernie is turning out new voters (granted this is compared to 2016, when he might've turned out some voters who would've been on the sidelines). biden voters would've picked a different candidate--many biden voters supported a different candidate last week.

is it? i thought turn out was down.

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:11 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

not sure about most states, but turnout in virginia nearly doubled

"felt safer" vs "dumbass whites will vote for the safe guy in the fall"

Anyone who voted biden has earned a little side eye. He fuckin sucks.

ok i was mistaken

In most states, voter turnout was significantly higher this year than it was in 2016:

In Alabama, turnout increased from more than 398,000 in 2016 to more than 451,000 in 2020.
In Arkansas, turnout increased from more than 218,000 with all votes counted to over 228,000 with more than 99 percent of precincts reporting.
In North Carolina, turnout increased from more than 1.1 million with all votes counted to more than 1.3 million with 99 percent of precincts reporting.
In Tennessee, turnout went from more than 371,000 to more than 513,000.
In Texas, turnout rose from more than 1.4 million with all votes counted to more than 2.1 million with more than 99 percent of precincts reporting.
In Vermont, turnout increased from nearly 135,000 with all votes counted to more than 157,000 with roughly 89 percent of precincts reporting.
In Virginia, turnout grew from nearly 783,000 to more than 1.3 million.
There was, however, one exception: Democratic voter turnout actually decreased in Oklahoma, going from nearly 336,000 in 2016 to nearly 304,000 in 2020.

you're implicitly giving side eye to the minorities who felt safer with Biden

yeah this interpretation occurred to me and I do have some caveats: as discussed here a million times the African American vote for ex. is pretty nuanced/strategic (sees Sanders as riskier/less of a sure thing, a lot of goodwill leftover from Biden subordinating himself to Obama etc). Latino vote seems to be heavily tilting towards Sanders, from what I've read his promise to abolish ICE is a big part of that.

*a little side eye*, as opposed to getting written off forever or whatever. xps

"felt safer" vs "dumbass whites will vote for the safe guy in the fall"

iow Morbz... otm?

alfred consistently is making a good point -- agree or disagree there are a lot of ppl who are more vulnerable to Trump's policies who are less inclined to take their shot with a guy who many feel would be less likely to win in a general election, and who some of them feel has been less sympathetic to their concerns than he could have been.

sorry if i'm misreading you alfred.

The Michael Harriott thread that leads up to this tweet is a good one and some people are really, really showing their asses today.

Here’s the point.

I know those “old black voters” in SC.

They’re smarter, more informed and more progressive than any of these motherfuckers denigrating black southern voters talking about “revolution”

None of them are on Twitter.

— michaelharriot (@michaelharriot) March 4, 2020

Biden should just make his own blue MAGA hats, isn't his message essentially the same (let's go back to how things were 4 years ago!)

the Parnas tape? that was re: Hillary picking Bernie as her running mate, not Biden.

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:53 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

you need to listen further, biden specifically comes up re: 2020, followed by laughter and rounds of "yes, please!"

alfred consistently is making a good point -- agree or disagree there are a lot of ppl who are more vulnerable to Trump's policies who are less inclined to take their shot with a guy who many feel would be less likely to win in a general election, and who some of them feel has been less sympathetic to their concerns than he could have been.

sorry if i'm misreading you alfred.

― omar little, Wednesday, March 4, 2020

Yes. I mean, most posters would know, including Simon, if you ever talked to an African American over 35.

i feel in my bones something innnteresting is going to happen on the way to Record Player's coronation

harriot is one of the worst writers I’ve ever read, and I read this thread every damn day!

I am not sure what I am supposed to do with the insight, which I have no reason to doubt, that old black voters feel biden is a safer choice. I understand and respect the choice, but he still sucks! so where does that leave us?

the idea that sanders had not done enough outreach to these voters, given his truly heroic ground game and the complete dearth of any actual campaigning from biden, is laughable and everyone knows it

by the way, things are different today if the establishment hadn’t put its thumb on the scales over the past week (which is their right of course, sucks but what can you do really). you only need to look at the exit polls to see the huge proportion of voters who changed their minds over few days leading up to tuesday, and the large share of those voters who went for biden, to understand this. their choice should be respected regardless but let’s not pretend this was an organic happening or that there is anything special about biden that caused this to occur

I do worry about how much a Biden nomination could suppress Dem turnout - some portion of Bernie's supporters won't swallow the bitter pill and pull the lever, nor will his army of trolls be willing to duke it out with Trump's army of trolls. Is general anti-Trump animus among the rest of the party enough to overcome that? I dunno, guess we're gonna find out.

Biden should just make his own blue MAGA hats, isn't his message essentially the same (let's go back to how things were 4 years ago!)

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:22 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

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sorry for amazon lol

the idea that sanders had not done enough outreach to these voters is laughable and everyone knows it

well his outreach obviously didn't work, so what's your explanation? that he shouldn't have bothered/nothing he could say could sway them?

an organic happening or that there is anything special about biden that caused this to occur

lol the DNC is not a mind-control operation, there was no voting manipulation or suppression going on - this was the will of the voters. The Sanders wing is not the majority of the party.

the idea that sanders had not done enough outreach to these voters, given his truly heroic ground game and the complete dearth of any actual campaigning from biden, is laughable and everyone knows it

where is the evidence of a heroic ground game other than South Carolina and Nevada? If voters have changed their minds in the last few days, then he failed as a candidate to persuade them. Warren had the same problem.

and, yes, of course I worry about a Biden nomination. I worried about a Warren and Sanders nomination too!

the vast ignorance and disinterest of huge swathes of the voting populace continues to be difficult to overestimate.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:37 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i just dropped my kid off at daycare. everyone working there was excited that i saw biden last night, and *very* excited to vote for him, but no one could really say why. they also asked me if britain was a democracy or the queen was in charge.

ppl changed their minds over the last couple days because the other centrist candidates dropped out - they were not winning enough delegates, polling well enough, or pulling in enough money, and they were never going to endorse Bernie so they threw their lot (and the weight of their voters) behind Biden. It's not a mystery, and it's not a conspiracy.

xp

there was media saturation of BIDEN HAS THE MOMENTUM

if you think this meant NOTHING, may i recommend Marshall fucking McLuhan

ah yes, the media

they also asked me if britain was a democracy or the queen was in charge.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:31 AM (forty-two seconds ago)

so, which is it

reflected beautifully in ILX being gen convinced Bloomie was the nominee 3 weeks ago xxp

I refer you to my posts about Bloomie 3 weeks ago

Biden's win in South Carolina did legitimately change the narrative because a) his margin was huge and b) it showed Bernie wasn't going to pull the African American vote or turnout young voters, which he's been banking on.

this is not a media conspiracy, these are facts on the ground.