Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

how about a rally to disembowel Hannity

do we need a rally for that

“Vote for us and there will be less news” is powerful enough for a lot of people. Not sure it’s powerful enough for enough people. But it’s not a mystifying position for a voter, and appealing to it can work.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:04 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

someone should have a rally to restore sanity

I just got word from one of my Bloomberg staff people. They have to go work for Joe to keep their salary coming.

— Irami Osei-Frimpong (@IramiOF) March 4, 2020

look I will find a way to be ok with Joe fuckin Biden but I really hope Sanders does well even to push him somewhat leftward especially on climate & health care. take the temperature of the room and be something more than "not Trump"

that seems overly simplistic, and tax laws don't affect all rich people equally. also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

I'm positing the Dems holding the House, which seems very realistic to me, and saying a tax package doesn't pass unless it can get through the Senate. And I'm saying that I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration. So i think the tax landscape for rich people is similar in both cases. I think what rich people don't like about Sanders is that he loudly and repeatedly says they are bad!

to push him somewhat leftward especially on climate & health care

"That trick never works!" - Rocky the Flying Squirrel

also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

? no tax bill becomes law without the Senate voting on it.

I think he means spending bills originate in the House.

I feel bad for folks in swing states because you actually do have ... well ... a real choice to make with consequences. For me, there are enough moderates and reformed republicans in California that even if I sit it out because things are horrible, Trump won't win my state.

oh look the Sanders thread I see approving tweets comparing Biden to Brezhnev.

birthday party cheesecake jelly bean boom

BREAKING: Michael Bloomberg suspends campaign https://t.co/yNCVUDNe1g

— Axios (@axios) March 4, 2020

I think a lot of the discussion in this thread presumes the existence of a really big electoral segment in this country of people who think both Obama and Trump were/are crappy Presidents, and I'm just not convinced that's the case.

yep

gonna unbookmark this thread so I don't continue using it for scream therapy

Arguably the biggest favor Warren did for Biden was not staying in the race but kneecapping Bloomberg in the debates.

Bloomberg the data guy now knows exactly how much people hate him, and that’s good. But the case that Warren Eviscerates Bloomberg was one of a set of events that lead us to a likely Biden nom seems pretty strong too. So its impossible to say whether it’s good or bad.

Bernie should have run Obama ads sooner.

in a broad utilitarian sense it's good, because it means no president bloomberg, which is a worse outcome than president biden. and also no bloomberg vs. trump scenario, which could only end with a second trump term.

xp

I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration.

I disagree. The tax code has done a lot, in its humble low-key way, to promote certain ideas and values. In some aspects, the tax code is more progressive than a lot of policy. (In others it is just as conservative) Look at the TCJA changes ... assumedly a major part of this tax bill will be undoing parts of the TCJA legislation. I would be surprised if Bernie and Biden chose the same parts to focus on.

Honestly, my hope is that even if Biden wins (as opposed to Bernie), Warren gets appointed Attorney General.

or Treasury.

I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration.

lol no you don’t

i see we're already on to the "coping via fantasy" stage

go Bernie go, i say

in terms of what would actually pass with the necessary votes, that outcome seems like a fair prediction imo

xp

i interrupt this thread for a brief lol

Jesus!

Whoopi Goldberg thinks Jill Biden is a medical doctor and wants Joe to make her Surgeon General if he becomes president.

"She’s a hell of a doctor. She’s an amazing doctor!"

The rest of The View hosts have to tell her that Jill is, in fact, a teacher. pic.twitter.com/AhnMalsxCT

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) March 4, 2020

up to now the Dem primary has resembled the GOP 2016 primary, with Sanders in the Trump "disruptor" role - but the GOP establishment never coalesced behind a single candidate in 2016, allowing Trump to rack up the necessary margins. But things have diverged now that the whole center of the party has tilted to Biden. The weird (and disappointing thing) about this is that Biden's essentially winning on nothing but name recognition; up to now he's had no money, no ads, no campaign, no policies, no viral moments, no direction, no signature issues, nothing. It's remarkable how many ppl in America are just willing to go with a total vacuum because they have vague memories of the guy being kinda ok.

the vast ignorance and disinterest of huge swathes of the voting populace continues to be difficult to overestimate.

Massively successful, long-term strategic disinfo campaign by The Onion

Bernie won the meme war too

wow good times in this thread

u might call it a "circular firing squad," if we aoll were actually on the same side

O’Rourke recently endorsed Joe Biden in the Democratic primary election, and Bixler-Zavala made it clear that he does not agree with his former bandmate’s pick for the potential next President.

In an Instagram post last night, Bixler-Zavala said that he was supporting Senator Bernie Sanders in the election and, in response to a comment asking whether he denounced O’Rourke for endorsing Biden, he responded: “denounced in the comatorium,” a reference to the Mars Volta’s 2003 album De-Loused In The Comatorium.

denounced in the comatorium

vox pun explainer

my new take is that neither bernie nor biden should’ve run at all.

raise your hand if you want another fun primary in 2024

― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:47 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

that is my old take ^^^.

― Yerac, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:48 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yep yep yep. I got actually angry at both of their announcements that they were going to run. For a whole bunch of reasons, I don't think either has any business being in the race. Either/both of them could have had a big influence on it from the outside, if they'd wanted.

But here we are.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:29 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

take a minute to consider the logic behind thinking things would have shaped up better for the party if the two candidates with the most votes decided not to run

bloomberg no doubt

take a minute to consider the logic behind thinking things would have shaped up better for the party if the two candidates with the most votes decided not to run

― k3vin k., Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:06 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the democratic electorate is fired up, they would've gravitated to other candidates.

is it? i thought turn out was down.

the vast ignorance and disinterest of huge swathes of the voting populace continues to be difficult to overestimate.

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 4, 2020

you're implicitly giving side eye to the minorities who felt safer with Biden

there hasn't been evidence that bernie is turning out new voters (granted this is compared to 2016, when he might've turned out some voters who would've been on the sidelines). biden voters would've picked a different candidate--many biden voters supported a different candidate last week.

is it? i thought turn out was down.

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 12:11 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

not sure about most states, but turnout in virginia nearly doubled

"felt safer" vs "dumbass whites will vote for the safe guy in the fall"

Anyone who voted biden has earned a little side eye. He fuckin sucks.

ok i was mistaken

In most states, voter turnout was significantly higher this year than it was in 2016:

In Alabama, turnout increased from more than 398,000 in 2016 to more than 451,000 in 2020.
In Arkansas, turnout increased from more than 218,000 with all votes counted to over 228,000 with more than 99 percent of precincts reporting.
In North Carolina, turnout increased from more than 1.1 million with all votes counted to more than 1.3 million with 99 percent of precincts reporting.
In Tennessee, turnout went from more than 371,000 to more than 513,000.
In Texas, turnout rose from more than 1.4 million with all votes counted to more than 2.1 million with more than 99 percent of precincts reporting.
In Vermont, turnout increased from nearly 135,000 with all votes counted to more than 157,000 with roughly 89 percent of precincts reporting.
In Virginia, turnout grew from nearly 783,000 to more than 1.3 million.
There was, however, one exception: Democratic voter turnout actually decreased in Oklahoma, going from nearly 336,000 in 2016 to nearly 304,000 in 2020.

you're implicitly giving side eye to the minorities who felt safer with Biden

yeah this interpretation occurred to me and I do have some caveats: as discussed here a million times the African American vote for ex. is pretty nuanced/strategic (sees Sanders as riskier/less of a sure thing, a lot of goodwill leftover from Biden subordinating himself to Obama etc). Latino vote seems to be heavily tilting towards Sanders, from what I've read his promise to abolish ICE is a big part of that.

*a little side eye*, as opposed to getting written off forever or whatever. xps

"felt safer" vs "dumbass whites will vote for the safe guy in the fall"

iow Morbz... otm?

alfred consistently is making a good point -- agree or disagree there are a lot of ppl who are more vulnerable to Trump's policies who are less inclined to take their shot with a guy who many feel would be less likely to win in a general election, and who some of them feel has been less sympathetic to their concerns than he could have been.

sorry if i'm misreading you alfred.