Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

can you get the fuck out of this thread as well?

if you mean as some kind of disinfo, nope; they were surreptitiously recorded and handed over to the house intelligence commitee

the Parnas tape? that was re: Hillary picking Bernie as her running mate, not Biden.

They are wrong most of the time.

Also, when is it okay to kvetch about African American primary voters? Never? Fine. But hang around long enough and you'll have some resentments.

So I don't see why I should be pooping on Biden when his potential election gets me much of what I'd want from a president for the next four years. Which is to say, what someone here or somewhere else said, a president you can ignore. That's the upside of boring.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is that really all you want?

Eh zing put two quotes in there. Was going to reply to sanpakus post but sbed him instead. Terrible poster.

can you get the fuck out of this thread as well?

― sleeve, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:52 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

is this directed at me? sure

yeah, i mean it'll become much less boring after the 2022 midterms, but why even think about that.

xp

Step 1 get whatever you can get
Step 2 try to force them to do better
Step 3 replace with improved officeholder
blather rinse repeat

Brexit was a thirty year project backed by a referendum result etc.

"Get Trump out" is in no way a comparable analogy. Or maybe it is, I look forward to seeing whether that slogan lands xpost to caek

Bernie was basically the only candidate who didn't run an Obama is my bff ad. After getting wiped out in the South, he releases this ad the next day. (in one SC ad, he had a shot of them together but it wasn't like this) pic.twitter.com/JNgtFb0q26

— Alex Thompson (@AlxThomp) March 4, 2020

I look forward to the point where everyone has been sternly forbidden from posting in this thread. Then we will have a de facto repeat of

DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD

goodness! He compromises!

he's just trying to win

Brexit was a thirty year project backed by a referendum result etc.

"Get Trump out" is in no way a comparable analogy. Or maybe it is, I look forward to seeing whether that slogan lands xpost to caek

As the only person in this thread who voted in the brexit referendum and attended the biden rally last night because it was walking distance, I would like to note that I am on the money always.

goodness! He compromises!

...on ad messaging. big fuckin whoop.

most campaign compromises are big fuckin whoops

“Vote for us and there will be less news” is powerful enough for a lot of people. Not sure it’s powerful enough for enough people. But it’s not a mystifying position for a voter, and appealing to it can work.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:04 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

someone should have a rally to restore sanity

and/or restore

goodness has nothin' to do with it

Dems take Senate, Biden is President: rich people pay more taxes
Dems take Senate, Sanders is President: rich people pay more taxes
Dems don't take Senate, Biden is President: rich people don't pay more taxes
Dem's don't take Senate, Sanders is President: rich people don't pay more taxes

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:30 AM (thirty-two minutes ago

that seems overly simplistic, and tax laws don't affect all rich people equally. also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

how about a rally to disembowel Hannity

do we need a rally for that

“Vote for us and there will be less news” is powerful enough for a lot of people. Not sure it’s powerful enough for enough people. But it’s not a mystifying position for a voter, and appealing to it can work.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:04 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

someone should have a rally to restore sanity

I just got word from one of my Bloomberg staff people. They have to go work for Joe to keep their salary coming.

— Irami Osei-Frimpong (@IramiOF) March 4, 2020

look I will find a way to be ok with Joe fuckin Biden but I really hope Sanders does well even to push him somewhat leftward especially on climate & health care. take the temperature of the room and be something more than "not Trump"

that seems overly simplistic, and tax laws don't affect all rich people equally. also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

I'm positing the Dems holding the House, which seems very realistic to me, and saying a tax package doesn't pass unless it can get through the Senate. And I'm saying that I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration. So i think the tax landscape for rich people is similar in both cases. I think what rich people don't like about Sanders is that he loudly and repeatedly says they are bad!

to push him somewhat leftward especially on climate & health care

"That trick never works!" - Rocky the Flying Squirrel

also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

? no tax bill becomes law without the Senate voting on it.

I think he means spending bills originate in the House.

I feel bad for folks in swing states because you actually do have ... well ... a real choice to make with consequences. For me, there are enough moderates and reformed republicans in California that even if I sit it out because things are horrible, Trump won't win my state.

oh look the Sanders thread I see approving tweets comparing Biden to Brezhnev.

birthday party cheesecake jelly bean boom

BREAKING: Michael Bloomberg suspends campaign https://t.co/yNCVUDNe1g

— Axios (@axios) March 4, 2020

I think a lot of the discussion in this thread presumes the existence of a really big electoral segment in this country of people who think both Obama and Trump were/are crappy Presidents, and I'm just not convinced that's the case.

yep

gonna unbookmark this thread so I don't continue using it for scream therapy

Arguably the biggest favor Warren did for Biden was not staying in the race but kneecapping Bloomberg in the debates.

Bloomberg the data guy now knows exactly how much people hate him, and that’s good. But the case that Warren Eviscerates Bloomberg was one of a set of events that lead us to a likely Biden nom seems pretty strong too. So its impossible to say whether it’s good or bad.

Bernie should have run Obama ads sooner.

in a broad utilitarian sense it's good, because it means no president bloomberg, which is a worse outcome than president biden. and also no bloomberg vs. trump scenario, which could only end with a second trump term.

xp

I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration.

I disagree. The tax code has done a lot, in its humble low-key way, to promote certain ideas and values. In some aspects, the tax code is more progressive than a lot of policy. (In others it is just as conservative) Look at the TCJA changes ... assumedly a major part of this tax bill will be undoing parts of the TCJA legislation. I would be surprised if Bernie and Biden chose the same parts to focus on.

Honestly, my hope is that even if Biden wins (as opposed to Bernie), Warren gets appointed Attorney General.

or Treasury.

I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration.

lol no you don’t

i see we're already on to the "coping via fantasy" stage

go Bernie go, i say

in terms of what would actually pass with the necessary votes, that outcome seems like a fair prediction imo

xp

i interrupt this thread for a brief lol

Jesus!

Whoopi Goldberg thinks Jill Biden is a medical doctor and wants Joe to make her Surgeon General if he becomes president.

"She’s a hell of a doctor. She’s an amazing doctor!"

The rest of The View hosts have to tell her that Jill is, in fact, a teacher. pic.twitter.com/AhnMalsxCT

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) March 4, 2020

up to now the Dem primary has resembled the GOP 2016 primary, with Sanders in the Trump "disruptor" role - but the GOP establishment never coalesced behind a single candidate in 2016, allowing Trump to rack up the necessary margins. But things have diverged now that the whole center of the party has tilted to Biden. The weird (and disappointing thing) about this is that Biden's essentially winning on nothing but name recognition; up to now he's had no money, no ads, no campaign, no policies, no viral moments, no direction, no signature issues, nothing. It's remarkable how many ppl in America are just willing to go with a total vacuum because they have vague memories of the guy being kinda ok.

the vast ignorance and disinterest of huge swathes of the voting populace continues to be difficult to overestimate.