Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

So I don't see why I should be pooping on Biden when his potential election gets me much of what I'd want from a president for the next four years. Which is to say, what someone here or somewhere else said, a president you can ignore. That's the upside of boring.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is that really all you want?

those are all bad things but many of the populations you'd think would be incensed by some of them (like, black voters) don't seem to hold a grudge about it. So I don't think it's going to affect his electibility in November among the demographics that actually seem to turn out and vote. I'm not looking forward to hearing six months (or 4 years) of Burisma griping; fuck we've barely gotten past Benghazi bullshit.

sustained O proximity

otmfm

that's as simple as it is

but that doesn't explain why ppl still like O so much if he was such a disaster for working americans

like maybe O still being so popular should be a tell about the electorate

they like "compassionate" smoothies who fuck them over

was he great for working Americans? do go on

no, don't

Another potential ray of optimism is that Biden will, one hopes, choose a demographically innovative running mate (a woman, a person of color, a woman of color)

Y'know to offset the "omg another doddering old white dude" factor

and then while in office he dies or drifts further into bewildered senility

fantasy outcome: Madam President Abrams

xpost It's not *all* I want, but it's a start.

those are all bad things but many of the populations you'd think would be incensed by some of them (like, black voters) don't seem to hold a grudge about it. So I don't think it's going to affect his electibility in November among the demographics that actually seem to turn out and vote. I'm not looking forward to hearing six months (or 4 years) of Burisma griping; fuck we've barely gotten past Benghazi bullshit.

― akm, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:38 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

once the general campaign starts trump can say, 'biden advocated cutting medicare and social security for years. i never cut medicare or social security.' he would technically be right, and then he would cut funding for those programs in his second term

xp

JoshinC is right. It's a cheap shot for a Lefty McLeftface to be all like "oh, so all you want is for the president not be Trump? Why not set your sights higher?" Dude, we generally *have*, but if we don't get exactly what we want we can still find consolation in getting *something*. This is not hard.

getting the absolute next worst thing is "something"; awesome as always

Dem elites and their loyal subjects rally around a right wing war criminal who can't string together two coherent sentences and expect us to passively swallow it. Fuck that. Going up against these corrupt hustlers was never gonna be easy. Dare to struggle. Dare to win. #NotMeUs pic.twitter.com/mmBye0fttF

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) March 4, 2020

guess who's winning

Health insurance stock prices are soaring right now following Biden's Super Tuesday. pic.twitter.com/xXECABFDqu

— Bob Herman (@bobjherman) March 4, 2020

Ok Josh I get the feeling that simply getting rid of Trump is enough for a lot of ppl.

xps not a cheap shot, but I was asking.

I don't find consolation in not doing anything about a burning planet. For a start.

the uphill battle's not over yet otm xp

xyz get the fuck out of this thread

for once I'm mad there's no debate this week

New: Elizabeth Warren's campaign manager Roger Lau has just sent an email to all staff, first thanking them, and also sharing this blunt assessment about last night:

“We fell well short of viability goals and projections, and we are disappointed in the results.”

— MJ Lee (@mj_lee) March 4, 2020

dennis perrin posting propaganda, you love to see it

otoh Biden seems most likely to actually strike Trump during a debate

― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes),

I was about to ask more about what you meant here and then i realized maybe you meant strike with his hand?!

can you get the fuck out of this thread as well?

if you mean as some kind of disinfo, nope; they were surreptitiously recorded and handed over to the house intelligence commitee

the Parnas tape? that was re: Hillary picking Bernie as her running mate, not Biden.

They are wrong most of the time.

Also, when is it okay to kvetch about African American primary voters? Never? Fine. But hang around long enough and you'll have some resentments.

So I don't see why I should be pooping on Biden when his potential election gets me much of what I'd want from a president for the next four years. Which is to say, what someone here or somewhere else said, a president you can ignore. That's the upside of boring.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is that really all you want?

Eh zing put two quotes in there. Was going to reply to sanpakus post but sbed him instead. Terrible poster.

can you get the fuck out of this thread as well?

― sleeve, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 8:52 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

is this directed at me? sure

yeah, i mean it'll become much less boring after the 2022 midterms, but why even think about that.

xp

Step 1 get whatever you can get
Step 2 try to force them to do better
Step 3 replace with improved officeholder
blather rinse repeat

Brexit was a thirty year project backed by a referendum result etc.

"Get Trump out" is in no way a comparable analogy. Or maybe it is, I look forward to seeing whether that slogan lands xpost to caek

Bernie was basically the only candidate who didn't run an Obama is my bff ad. After getting wiped out in the South, he releases this ad the next day. (in one SC ad, he had a shot of them together but it wasn't like this) pic.twitter.com/JNgtFb0q26

— Alex Thompson (@AlxThomp) March 4, 2020

I look forward to the point where everyone has been sternly forbidden from posting in this thread. Then we will have a de facto repeat of

DO NOT POST IN THIS THREAD

goodness! He compromises!

he's just trying to win

Brexit was a thirty year project backed by a referendum result etc.

"Get Trump out" is in no way a comparable analogy. Or maybe it is, I look forward to seeing whether that slogan lands xpost to caek

As the only person in this thread who voted in the brexit referendum and attended the biden rally last night because it was walking distance, I would like to note that I am on the money always.

goodness! He compromises!

...on ad messaging. big fuckin whoop.

most campaign compromises are big fuckin whoops

“Vote for us and there will be less news” is powerful enough for a lot of people. Not sure it’s powerful enough for enough people. But it’s not a mystifying position for a voter, and appealing to it can work.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:04 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

someone should have a rally to restore sanity

and/or restore

goodness has nothin' to do with it

Dems take Senate, Biden is President: rich people pay more taxes
Dems take Senate, Sanders is President: rich people pay more taxes
Dems don't take Senate, Biden is President: rich people don't pay more taxes
Dem's don't take Senate, Sanders is President: rich people don't pay more taxes

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 7:30 AM (thirty-two minutes ago

that seems overly simplistic, and tax laws don't affect all rich people equally. also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

how about a rally to disembowel Hannity

do we need a rally for that

“Vote for us and there will be less news” is powerful enough for a lot of people. Not sure it’s powerful enough for enough people. But it’s not a mystifying position for a voter, and appealing to it can work.

― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 11:04 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

someone should have a rally to restore sanity

I just got word from one of my Bloomberg staff people. They have to go work for Joe to keep their salary coming.

— Irami Osei-Frimpong (@IramiOF) March 4, 2020

look I will find a way to be ok with Joe fuckin Biden but I really hope Sanders does well even to push him somewhat leftward especially on climate & health care. take the temperature of the room and be something more than "not Trump"

that seems overly simplistic, and tax laws don't affect all rich people equally. also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

I'm positing the Dems holding the House, which seems very realistic to me, and saying a tax package doesn't pass unless it can get through the Senate. And I'm saying that I think the shape of a tax bill a Dem House and Senate would pass would look pretty similar in a Sanders or Biden administration. So i think the tax landscape for rich people is similar in both cases. I think what rich people don't like about Sanders is that he loudly and repeatedly says they are bad!

to push him somewhat leftward especially on climate & health care

"That trick never works!" - Rocky the Flying Squirrel

also tax legislation is a House thing, not a Senate thing, or am I missing a thing?

? no tax bill becomes law without the Senate voting on it.

I think he means spending bills originate in the House.

I feel bad for folks in swing states because you actually do have ... well ... a real choice to make with consequences. For me, there are enough moderates and reformed republicans in California that even if I sit it out because things are horrible, Trump won't win my state.