Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

man, he might not make it to November

(man used in the colloquial non-gendered sense)

many xxps those Trump tweets aren't angling for Bernie voters, nor does he actually want to face Bernie. I don't get why people are still buying this.

I have no opinion about who Trump wants to face -- I think he is surrounded by bootlickers who are telling him he'll crush any opponent and he probably believes it.

But those tweets are 100% angling at Bernie voters. He's not trying to get their votes, he's trying to bolster their general sense that the system is rigged and there's no point in participating, so they might as well stay home. That's the play and always has been the play. Trump doesn't win by getting people to vote for him, he wins by getting people to feel like it's not worth it to vote against him.

xp:

There's still hope, then.

my new take is that neither bernie nor biden should’ve run at all.

Cosign. I feel like we could be having a lot of the same policy conversations right now if e.g. Warren and Harris were the frontrunners, but it wouldn't be as soiled by people's locked-in issues re Obama and H Clinton, and we'd be talking about two people we were absolutely sure were capable of serving two terms as President.

just looking at these numbers it's not hard to think that if you removed warren and bloomberg biden would've won even more states.

i am cynical about any dem nominee beating incumbent trump in a good economy (obv a recession and/or corona crisis could change that) but there are reasons to think biden could win. he doesn't scan as an elitist at all like gore or kerry and he isn't hated like hillary. maybe he really is the generic democrat who wins against trump in polling. maybe they can just hide him until the election and he can pick a young exciting VP to do most of the campaigning for him?

Hey everybody cheer up United Healthcare stock up 12%

Trump knows Joe Biden has nothing more to offer a critical block of WI-MI-PA etc voters that Hillary didn't. They'll clobber him on trade and jobs.

Hell he's said as much in private—what's he's afraid of is a populist immune to that line of attack.

Hell he's said as much in private

remarks leaked to the press.

I hope all these Biden voters turn out in the general election after the months and months of Biden #metoo, dementia, and Burisma corruption stories we have to look forward to. It's on them now.

― Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:39 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if only there was any indication of this for the last year

For fuck's sake stop saying "a good economy" like a goddamn CNBC talking head. This economy is a flaming shit mountain. 90% of the American population is terminally financially fucked and has been for well over a decade.

people look at the stock market performing well and think 'the economy is good, maybe i'm the problem'

extremely low unemployment and wages are rising. it's not just the stock market.

"So I don't see why I should be pooping on Biden when his potential election gets me much of what I'd want from a president for the next four years. Which is to say, what someone here or somewhere else said, a president you can ignore. That's the upside of boring."

trying to be ok with this, which is also what I kind of assumed would always happen, and remembering that politics is really about mitigating your disappointments rather than hope. having said that I do hope he picks a VP that's inspiring and that can maybe stand as an inveitable successor in 4 years. I don't know who that is; maybe it's Duckworth, maybe it's Abrahms..it completely depends on how much power he gives to that role.

Trump knows Joe Biden has nothing more to offer a critical block of WI-MI-PA etc voters that Hillary didn't.

You are talking about the candidate instead of the campaign.

The people around Biden (presuming the Dem machine coalesces to help prop him up and drag him across the finish line) may not make the same mistakes as Hillary's campaign, like not seriously campaigning in upper-Midwest states.

I don't hold much faith in the candidate himself, but I do hope that he'll have the muscle of the party behind him and that they will have learned from history and not make the same mistakes.

(wait for laughter)

They'll make totally new, different mistakes! Haha lol we r fucked

Abrams would be incredible, but she would outclass him on the campaign. Harris is probably out of the picture, isn't she? I wouldn't be shocked if he picked Klobuchar, who gets him a foothold in the fabled midwest.

The Economy is strong. Doesn't mean The Economy is benefitting everyone. They are different things.

PA is a sorta home state for Biden. Maybe he picks Baldwin and she helps in WI too. he has the persona that could play in these sorts of states and do we really believe PA went to Trump because they liked his policies better or bc they hated hillary and elite liberals?

Bye bye, Bloomberg

yeah all those things would've made biden the ideal candidate for 2016.

xp

https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/04/politics/bloomberg-campaign-super-tuesday/index.html

"this isn't going as planned"

I hope all these Biden voters turn out in the general election after the months and months of Biden #metoo, dementia, and Burisma corruption stories we have to look forward to. It's on them now.

― Har Mar Klobuchar (PBKR), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 9:39 AM (twenty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if only there was any indication of this for the last year

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:02 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

The foreseeasbility of it makes the Biden votes more puzzling,

Bloomberg at least has been consistent about pledging money and support to whomever the nominee turns out to be.

My mom's in southeast PA, and where she is has seen steady shifts blue post-asshole, so fingers crossed.

Bloomberg at least has been consistent about pledging money and support to whomever the nominee turns out to be.

Yeah, I'm waiting to see if this turns out to be true.

The foreseeability of Trump attacking Fidel Sanders too.

I’d say go neg on health prospects for biden but there’s a catch.

Bloomberg at least has been consistent about pledging money and support to whomever the nominee turns out to be.

Yeah, I'm waiting to see if this turns out to be true.

Bloomberg now has his candidates who will ensure he doesn't pay anymore in taxes. He's good.

I don't hold much faith in the candidate himself, but I do hope that he'll have the muscle of the party behind him and that they will have learned from history and not make the same mistakes.

Yeah, this is where I'm finding optimism. Surrogates who can make the case for turning out to defeat Trump will help.

my new take is that neither bernie nor biden should’ve run at all.

raise your hand if you want another fun primary in 2024

― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:47 PM (thirty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

that is my old take ^^^.

― Yerac, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 2:48 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yep yep yep. I got actually angry at both of their announcements that they were going to run. For a whole bunch of reasons, I don't think either has any business being in the race. Either/both of them could have had a big influence on it from the outside, if they'd wanted.

But here we are.

Dems take Senate, Biden is President: rich people pay more taxes
Dems take Senate, Sanders is President: rich people pay more taxes
Dems don't take Senate, Biden is President: rich people don't pay more taxes
Dem's don't take Senate, Sanders is President: rich people don't pay more taxes

I thought Sanders should've made way for Warren last year, but we know how this might've turned out too.

Hell he's said as much in private

remarks leaked to the press.

― by the light of the burning Citroën, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:02 AM (twenty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

if you mean as some kind of disinfo, nope; they were surreptitiously recorded and handed over to the house intelligence commitee

sustained O proximity

otmfm

that's as simple as it is

that cnn story highlights bloomps poor campaign roi and i- LOLOLOL. too on the nose, but also when youre pie is infinite big wgaf? not working? of course not. but bad roi? that train left a couple hundred mil ago, dipshits

your

Bloomberg campaign will go down in CW history as why we don't need to get big money out of politics really

it's fun to focus on biden's cognitive decline, but let's think about all these other negatives
-- voted for the iraq war
-- anita hill
-- 90s crime bill
-- handsiness
-- advocating for cutting medicare and social security
-- emails burisma nonsense

i would think all those would have more of an impact than 'he supported the sandinistas in 1987' but then again, i am young

^^^
Except the young part.

otoh Biden seems most likely to actually strike Trump during a debate

So I don't see why I should be pooping on Biden when his potential election gets me much of what I'd want from a president for the next four years. Which is to say, what someone here or somewhere else said, a president you can ignore. That's the upside of boring.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is that really all you want?

those are all bad things but many of the populations you'd think would be incensed by some of them (like, black voters) don't seem to hold a grudge about it. So I don't think it's going to affect his electibility in November among the demographics that actually seem to turn out and vote. I'm not looking forward to hearing six months (or 4 years) of Burisma griping; fuck we've barely gotten past Benghazi bullshit.

sustained O proximity

otmfm

that's as simple as it is

but that doesn't explain why ppl still like O so much if he was such a disaster for working americans

like maybe O still being so popular should be a tell about the electorate

they like "compassionate" smoothies who fuck them over

was he great for working Americans? do go on

no, don't

Another potential ray of optimism is that Biden will, one hopes, choose a demographically innovative running mate (a woman, a person of color, a woman of color)

Y'know to offset the "omg another doddering old white dude" factor

and then while in office he dies or drifts further into bewildered senility

fantasy outcome: Madam President Abrams

xpost It's not *all* I want, but it's a start.

those are all bad things but many of the populations you'd think would be incensed by some of them (like, black voters) don't seem to hold a grudge about it. So I don't think it's going to affect his electibility in November among the demographics that actually seem to turn out and vote. I'm not looking forward to hearing six months (or 4 years) of Burisma griping; fuck we've barely gotten past Benghazi bullshit.

― akm, Wednesday, March 4, 2020 10:38 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

once the general campaign starts trump can say, 'biden advocated cutting medicare and social security for years. i never cut medicare or social security.' he would technically be right, and then he would cut funding for those programs in his second term

xp

JoshinC is right. It's a cheap shot for a Lefty McLeftface to be all like "oh, so all you want is for the president not be Trump? Why not set your sights higher?" Dude, we generally *have*, but if we don't get exactly what we want we can still find consolation in getting *something*. This is not hard.