Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

oh shit, she got 200K in Texas? scrub that last comment

― anvil, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Is Texas still too close to call?

nyt has given it to biden

Katherine I have noticed parents tend to be hostile when one suggests their children are likely to have miserable lives on a dying earth

― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 04:45 (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

hey, you really wanna get to em, try letting slip that you think things will be ok.

Bexar County (San Antonio) is acting very suspicious. It is the most significant county in Texas for Bernie support. Yet, only 1 out of 728 precincts have reported. And now, they are reporting a "software malfunction" with the election machines. Keep an eye on this one.

— Brian Anderson (@bd_anderson227) March 4, 2020

Compared to what?

To not being the way they are?

You start off with establishment in scare quotes, then I explicate by what I mean by establishment (though I hadn't actually used the word in this thread I don't believe), to which you say well that's "just politics."
Yes, that's what the establishment is and what that means - and whether you want to call it the establishment or "just politics," it's lead to the fucked up world we inhabit. When "just politics" intervenes it does so to ensure that nothing good happens, so that somewhere there's an eight year old living the life I did of watching my mom wind up in the hospital with pneumonia because she couldn't afford to go to a doctor until it was too late, followed by seven years of her being terrified of collections calls, or 18-year old me who dropped out of college after two weeks because I needed to work 40 hours to survive or 38-year old me with a lovely list of ailments because I didn't have insurance for the first 35 years and a $5000 deductible that I couldn't meet for three more.

Bernie Sanders is at best a compromise candidate from a left perspective, who might not get a quarter of his desires accomplished, but he is the only national politician of my lifetime who genuinely seems to give a damn that most people lead difficult, shitty lives and fuck anyone standing in the way of him maybe making it a little bit easier on those people whether it's politics as usual or delusion about playing kingmaker.

i deserve th e most mentally ill president imaginable. 99 year old babbling doofus. Send us into the volcano sir

— wint (@dril) March 4, 2020

This. Warren dropping out won't hurt but isn't a solution to the fundamental problem that Bernie has apparently lost the merely-anti-Clinton part of his (already minority) '16 vote, and his theory for what would replace and expand it isn't panning out at all. https://t.co/5NMw7YFdwx

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) March 4, 2020

Turnout, suppressed.

This is election fraud. https://t.co/HXEO7msomk

— Sssssnake Dave Anthony (@daveanthony) March 4, 2020

This was very good as well: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/4/21164091/sanders-biden-super-tuesday-endorsements-primary-2020

Twitter isn't real life of course, but once those snake emojis started to climb out of the screen and harrass real voters trapping them in their homes, then Biden became an inevitability

"Or perhaps the well has been poisoned by Sanders supporters filling Twitter with tweets calling Warren a snake and the Democratic establishment a cabal."

Is twitter the real world or not? Can't tell anymore. xp

Even Ezra doesn’t believe any of those endorsements would go to Sanders if only he kissed a little more ass.

The last voter at Texas Southern University has walked out of the voting booth. It took Hervis Rogers nearly 7 hours to vote tonight. #supertuesday2020 pic.twitter.com/kEQ0HgPZHg

— ed lavandera (@edlavaCNN) March 4, 2020

Sanders tweeting a few weeks back 'I've got news for the Democratic establishment: You can't stop us!' looks fairly hubristic in hindsight. Took them all of three days... :(

Mobilised voters being suppressed but the real issue is this: 🐍

You need to get away from Twitter, mate

The trouble with the idea that Sanders' problem is that he treats the Democratic establishment as the enemy, is that exactly could have been said about Trump in 2016. And he won.

You need to get away from Twitter, mate

― Frederik B, Wednesday, 4 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

So does Ezra Klein, mate

Fred and xyzzz, it would be cool if you guys don't start a useless fight all night itt

We're not. It's morning in Copenhagen.

Sorry, I'll lay off

its morning here sic

and they have to do it *somewhere*

(((((i will not say politically homeless)))))

Zelda Zonk, the 538 podcast pointed out the establishment probably just learned their lesson from Trump 16. If Bernie wanted to repeat what Trump did, then it looks like he miscalculated.

Fred and xyzzz, it would be cool if you guys don't start a useless fight all night itt

― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Wednesday, 4 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

All big amigos here, mate

The Democratic establishment's problem is definitely snake emojis and saying mean things and not the policies that he represents.

Warren was taking very similar shit in her time as front-runner.

(She, of course, took Ezra's advice and positioned herself as a unifying force between the establishment and progressives, quickly lost all the moderate support and finished third in her home state and won't be viable in most Super Tuesday states.)

I really don't think Warren was saying stuff like 'the establishment can't stop us'?

But they balked anyway, that's true, the wealth tax was bad enough.

Yeah, that was the point - she didn't use this supposedly problematic rhetoric and they were going to gun for her anyway, because the establishment's actual problem is with ideology not politesse.

Ezra is rehearsing arguments liberals will use when Trump is re-elected.

Obama just got rich, a wealth tax before he could really enjoy it would be cruel.

I’m kind of baffled by the levels of Warren support this race, tbh? Especially after the DNA thing which was such an awful unforced error that it handed an easy and vivid attack line to Trump, plus it casts doubts on the soundness of her political judgement. Should have run in 2016.

I mean, we'll never know. But polls consistently show that Warren would be a lot of people's second choice, and that she was well liked by nearly all, whereas there always was a lot of never-Sanders people out there mad for one reason or another. Perhaps the lesson should be the progressive movement shouldn't have rallied around a candidate it was so easy for the party to mobilize against?

The lesson is: do progressive politics, just not in the democratic party, or until enough old people die from the coronavirus because no public health.

Is it not a candidates job to convince people? I know she had the emojis stacked up against her but still I'm not sure blmaing voters for failing to support her is the best approach

I don't think the story today is Warren not being able to convince voters... It's the Sanders campaign that has suffered a major setback.

Indeed

xp - who? as noted, Warren was getting the business before her pivot. She's never said the word socialism in a positive manner in her life, she has good hair and a proper upbringing.

If one billionaire pours a half billion into the race, MSNBC and the Times/Post decide to go hard against someone and all the lesser millionaires and billionaires inject their money, there is no candidate that can't be "mobilized against." You take your shots where you can.

In eight years, the Times is going to be running exposes on the time AOC did coke in the bathroom when she was a BARTENDER

But then again, I’m never not confused by the levels of Biden support considering anyone can see what’s going on with him with their own eyes, it’s going to be months of “Hunter Biden”, and this is taking into account DJP’s point about black voters too. I understand that perspective but I don’t understand most of the rest of his support. It’s fine to raise concerns about Bernie’s health, but...Biden!

The Times literally endorsed Warren, perhaps that might be a sign she was more acceptable to all those people you say you can't win if turned against you?

In eight years, the Times is going to be running exposes on the time AOC did coke in the bathroom when she was a BARTENDER

Biden is the most senior democrat, he was VP for eight years! xxxp to gyac

endorsed Warrenbuchar you mean

Lol I know but like...everything else. He should have run in 16 as well.

That's not a real person, milo

NYT editorial staff and Warren 🐍, clearly Bernie has not done his homework

huh, I guess AOC will be eligible to run in 2024, she'll turn 35 a month before the election, I thought she was a full year too young

anyway

weve all had elections lately, what have we learned about how each of us was actually 100% correct

that conservatives win

^^ ding ding ding.