Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

he can wear a cute lil hat

xxxpost this isn't exactly Nader sticking around and fucking with the 2000 Presidential campaign here.

Bernie people already complaining that yet another dang woman pulled their football away doesn't look great tbh. Maybe try blaming the other old white guys who got a lot more votes than she did?

bloomberg going to "reassess" his campaign tomorrow, likely to drop. have to believe almost all his voters are going to either biden or not voting at all.

They will go to Biden, based on some local anecdotal information. In our county, where Bloomberg campaigned personally, Bloomberg got 20 percent of the early vote (pre-South Carolina) to 16 percent for Biden. In Election Day voting today, Biden got 42 percent of the vote, to 10 percent for Bloomberg.

xp -- there's a certain point at which "can happen" becomes "has happened"

When Warren drops out, her voters will disperse fairly equally between Biden and Sanders. She offered wonks (like me) an option that was for action, but not a rather hopeless "revolution".

Thread:

Signs of a bad night for @MikeBloomberg. Goodnight to his campaing.
He should drop out.@ewarren should not.
She should persist to the end, for a few reasons:

1) She is no spoiler for either side. Her voters would split relatively evenly Bernie/non-Bernie: pic.twitter.com/fi9cChbXTs

— Jed Shugerman (@jedshug) March 4, 2020

I've always been of the position that the climate crisis and hereditary plutocracy were existential threats, but Sanders past disqualified him among nearly all voters who lived through the Cold War, and that his nomination would be catastrophic for downticket Dems. Here's hoping for AOC'24, but I guess I'm a Biden voter now.

and who wants to be the person who terminates their campaign not because they wanted to but because "two other people did on consecutive days, might as well throw in the towel"?

That's an even worse excuse than 'she thought she could be the dark horse on the eight ballot.'

xxxpost hey, there were toxic Bernie fuckers who whined that the DNC subverted the will of the voter in 2016 despite Hillary winning 2205 pledged delegates and needing only 177 super delegates out of the 714 superdelegates to secure the nomination, and winning the actual primary popular vote by 3.8+ million votes. I'm sure these same people will whine that the DNC is doing it again.

(oh quiet, i'm not saying the majority of Bernie voters were like that - I voted for him!)

Even if you think she hasn't actively hurt Sanders more than Biden - no majority is a worse outcome than a Biden majority.

xxp that EW shakeout is second choice absent an endorsement

Obv her support carries weight

xpost so two people unexpectedly quit in the days before Super Tuesday and you're blaming a candidate who actually perhaps maybe had a more viable reason for staying in the race (even if it was unlikely to pan out) for not kneejerk quitting the race without a lot of forethought?

particularly in a race where we were literally clowning Biden as being toast like.....72 hours ago?

her dropping out yesterday may not have even helped Bernie much. Joe's "momentum" started long before two days ago, it was just boosted significantly by those two dropping and endorsing.

besides quit acting like Bernie is "entitled" to her votes, I am sick of that attitude. he should have earned them then!

strategically, obviously she should have

voters who lived through the Cold War

can't wait for them all to be dead

Biden's deputy campaign manager, responding to a visibly perplexed Jake Tapper on how he won five states he hadn't set foot in: "This is the power of Joe Biden." Not sure how she managed to keep a straight face.

I think Warren has stayed in the race, first because until tonight there was very little clarity regarding how the race would shake out. It has only been, what, three whole days since Buttigeig and Klobuchar dropped out and less than that since they both officially endorsed Biden. Bloomberg had never yet appeared on a ballot, so his effect was unknown.

More than anything else, I think she felt a strong responsibility to the hundreds of thousands of people who had either donated money or time to her campaigns. They had expressed faith in her, believed in her, and she has no desire to let them down by engaging in some arcane political calculus, instead of just running her campaign with every fiber of her being. She kept calling herself 'a fighter', and more than a catchphrase that's how she acts. It's probably time for her to suspend. I have no idea if she's ready to, yet.

She had far less of an argument for staying in the race than Buttigieg. Every candidate drops out after hundreds of thousands of people donate money and time. That's what happens.

Based on even today's statements, she plans to stay in and continue punching left.

the talk was quite literally brokered convention through like, basically until polls closed today, and the narrative only shifted to "oh wow Biden could get within sniffing distance of getting a delegate majority" once results started rolling in and Biden snuck in a few upsets, and her plan was to wait until the convention and hope to spark a miracle.

― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:56 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

i don't even know who you're arguing with because this thread is a mess but angling for a brokered convention stopped making sense the moment it became clear the entire establishment was coalescing around biden. they aren't going to change course after a finely orchestrated string of endorsements that involved obama and harry reid and a fawning media.

i could understand her trying to make her case as a unity candidate if the establishment was scared they'd need someone to bring out the youth vote (who isn't bernie) but they just made their choice. i could also understand her waiting and seeing if she could pull off some big upsets today, but she's currently in third in her home state (last i heard at least). if she doesn't drop out now i don't get it.

I guess the party decides after all! Whoever the fuckin party is. Bunch of grifters and bloodsucking ghouls.

ok, fuck this thread

Oh right and child rapists.

y'all have really shitty memories

and silby's safety bolt has been removed

I do have a shitty memory!

Lock Democratic primary thread

i agree about fucking this thread

Remember when Seattle’s mayor resigned because he raped children and his handpicked successor won?

I remember that!

Bloomberg hasn't quit, yet, either. Both Bloomberg and Warren have had all of a few hours to absorb the full force of the facts. I notice Bernie hasn't withdrawn, either, in spite of what amounted to a poor showing by all measures. Give it a couple more days, people.

He’s gonna be welcomed back into our public life any day now, having spent a few years out of the limelight waiting for us to forget he raped children.

This is all the democratic establishment is, a bunch of pasty white grifters who talk a lot of hot air about justice so they can cover up their sex crimes.

why the fuck would bernie withdraw, the delegate gap (overall, not just today) isn't THAT bad

No American tradition is more popular than protecting child rapists

at least that’s a bipartisan tradition

Fight me you fucking assholes

Gee, shouldn't Bernie withdraw for the same putative reasons that Warren should withdraw, to promote party unity and remove obstacles from the path to the nomination for a more popular candidate? I am being facetious, but bashing Warren for not having bowed out just hours before Super Tuesday, or hours afterward seems to me rather driven by petulance.

why the fuck would bernie withdraw

I think aimless meant that dryly/drolly.

I honestly can't tell anymore what is and isn't sarcastic, any take is plausible

Fight FP me you fucking assholes

fixed

Who said hours before Super Tuesday? She should have dropped out after Nevada.

I’d have to work a lot harder and get a lot more personal to get 51 unfortunately and I’m not mean just poorly regulated.

She should have dropped out after Nevada.

Did you tell her? Because she may not have known.

it is time for the nyt to endorse some more candidates

The online left rn:

You signed up for a fight. So fight. No doom shit. It’s on.

— Screamer Jim (@HeheWaitWhut) March 4, 2020

I feel like all the wailing about "the establishment" overlooks the fact that millions of actual real-people voters cast ballots in these races. It's easier to say "fuck the establishment" than "fuck all those regular people who happen to disagree with me," I guess.

How about “fuck trump”

I feel like all the wailing about "the establishment" overlooks the fact that millions of actual real-people voters cast ballots in these races. It's easier to say "fuck the establishment" than "fuck all those regular people who happen to disagree with me,"

No. This is the same problem with saying 'fuck Trump voters'

and 'fuck the establishment' is wrong too. Unlike GOP 2016 they got it together to coalesce around one candidate before it was too late, thats credit to them

The establishment is Reid and Obama calling Klob and Petey and pushing them to drop out and endorse Biden, it's free media coverage for Biden with a post-SC comeback narrative, it's Warren's billionaire Super PAC designed to hurt the left.

i'm all for "fuck trump" but good luck getting that done now

oh, credit to the right-wing warmaking Dem Empire and Darth Joe, for sure

he'll do well in Chinatown, Jake

Biden just confused his wife and his sister in the opening lines of his speech.

— Alex Colston (@re_colston) March 4, 2020

Outside of Maine, Minnesota and MA did Warren really make that much difference, and would her supporters really have gone to Bernie anyway?