Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

yang is somehow the best pundit on CNN’s payroll

sanders gets co, ut, vt-- very ski friendly.

he wasn't almost president, he just stood near the president

xps

― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:19 PM bookmarkflaglink

"I was on the cover of Time"

"Well, you were on the corner....the little corner thing, it wasn't .....it wasn't like when the President is on the cover"

As Keynes allegedly said, in the long run we’re all dead, and I have that thought to console me

life is like a banana, it's yellow and it slides

as always, my takeaway: the death drive is real.

— kai a. bosworth (@kaibosworth) March 4, 2020

lol @ warren's "momentum" citation

Maybe my shtick can be becoming a neoreactionary and getting really into N1ck L@nd and Cur71$ Y@rv1n

silby, if you could stand the thought of children, you could also console yourself by believing that if you do everything in your power to protect them and raise them well, they might grow up to be part of a better world than any of us can imagine.

I’m perfectly capable of caring about your children I don’t need my own special ones

Online leftist Bernie take is now that Warren has handed the election to Trump

Can corroborate.

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2020/03/03/robocalls-misinformation-texas-voters-super-tuesday/

Cool cool

silby, if you could stand the thought of children, you could also console yourself by believing that if you do everything in your power to protect them and raise them well, they might grow up to be part of a better world than any of us can imagine.

― El Tomboto, Tuesday, March 3, 2020 11:32 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

not sure this is the best line of argument when there is another very plausible outcome for the world one's children might inherit

Blaming Warren for anything seems ... well, I mean ... The one woman in the race, the one who's drawing like 10 percent of the vote, when the only state where Sanders outpolled the Biden-Bloomberg combo is his own home state -- where he just barely cleared 50 percent of the vote -- but it's HER fault?

Bloomberg out ahead in Napa county lol

Katherine I have noticed parents tend to be hostile when one suggests their children are likely to have miserable lives on a dying earth

Stats like this don't exactly make the case for the youth vote surge (per the NYT):

Another data point as Texas is tight: The under-30 share of voters is actually smaller than four years ago: 16% this year, 20% in 2016, according to exit polls.

Of course, that's a share of the total, so it's possible turnout is up across the board and just went up more among people over 30.

I'm aware of that, I'm just saying, that is an argument that would not work on me, and I suspect would not work on a lot of people

never, ever, believe in young people. or other people.

jk (sorta)

18 year olds who voted for Obama in their first presidential election are 30 now, all this age-cohort stuff seems increasingly mystifying

apparently Bloomberg did well with black voters in Alabama, Massachusets, and Texas? I don't understand anything.

bloomberg going to "reassess" his campaign tomorrow, likely to drop. have to believe almost all his voters are going to either biden or not voting at all.

oof. this night.

Latino voters under 30 years old in California via @CNN:

Sanders 84% (!!)
Warren 6%
Biden 5%
Everyone else 4%

— Ryan Struyk (@ryanstruyk) March 4, 2020

"Bloomberg out ahead in Napa county lol"

my wife and I drove through Piedmont the other day (she works at a school there and was trying to find a shortcut to Orinda that avoids the freeway) and we discovered where all the Bloomberg voters in the Bay Area are.

I'm trying not to be too pissy about Warren, but - the centrists consolidated, the numbers weren't there for her, they haven't been for months, and the party clearly wasn't looking at her as a compromise candidate. I don't know what she gained, or could have logically thought she'd gain, by staying in, taking the superpac money, and going harder after Sanders. The results have not been fair to her in terms of her accomplishments and qualifications, but what was the point?

I really wonder if she'll endorse Sanders when she drops out.

the talk was quite literally brokered convention through like, basically until polls closed today, and the narrative only shifted to "oh wow Biden could get within sniffing distance of getting a delegate majority" once results started rolling in and Biden snuck in a few upsets, and her plan was to wait until the convention and hope to spark a miracle.

if she doesn't drop out after today i have no idea what the fuck she's doing. this isn't even about bernie vs biden i just have no idea what the end goal is. she stated before she was playing for a brokered convention, and i could understand the logic behind that at the time, but the entire establishment (including obama "secretly" wink wink) just coalesced around someone else.

xp

you could also console yourself by believing that if you do everything in your power to protect them and raise them well, they might grow up to be part of a better world than any of us can imagine.

if Biden gets nominated, [katherine otm]

So her goal was to help... ensure a brokered convention?

She was never going to have numbers to play kingmaker once superdelegates are released.

Right, but they believed that they could stick it out to the convention, winning nothing, and expect to be handed the nomination? The whole prospect seems so ludicrous. And once the moderates endorsed Biden it was clear that she was going to be out in the cold no matter what.

just saying that's what she said her goal was.

not a big fan of everybody giving moral imperatives why somebody should drop out. strategically, obviously she should have, but perhaps she wants to stay in and fight as the last remaining female candidate as well.

also, the field was like 7 people deep quite literally....not that long ago.

it was a bad shot but it still looked like a shot until yesterday

xp

What's the difference in "moral imperatives" that one shouldn't make and "strategic imperatives" that are self-evident?

If only the people who said they liked her actually voted for her, she could have possibly sown up a distant 3rd place, and then something, something...

xpost are you retroactively remembering the primary as if Buttigieg and Klobuchar were never actually in the race?

like, the shot wasn't exactly high percentage but jesus christ, prior to Sunday the makeup of this race was entirely different.

and who wants to be the person who terminates their campaign not because they wanted to but because "two other people did on consecutive days, might as well throw in the towel"?

most people were expecting Buttigieg to stick it out until after Super Tuesday, so that threw a monkey wrench into everything

everybody pivoted from "omg this is such a crowded congested field - lots can happen" to "OMG THERE ARE ONLY TWO VIABLE CANDIDATES HOW DUMB THAT SHE DIDN'T BAIL A WEEK AGO" fast

it'll be fascinating to see what admin sinecures Pete and Klobuchar end up with

I'm thinking Postmaster General for America's Boy Mayor

he can wear a cute lil hat

xxxpost this isn't exactly Nader sticking around and fucking with the 2000 Presidential campaign here.

Bernie people already complaining that yet another dang woman pulled their football away doesn't look great tbh. Maybe try blaming the other old white guys who got a lot more votes than she did?

bloomberg going to "reassess" his campaign tomorrow, likely to drop. have to believe almost all his voters are going to either biden or not voting at all.

They will go to Biden, based on some local anecdotal information. In our county, where Bloomberg campaigned personally, Bloomberg got 20 percent of the early vote (pre-South Carolina) to 16 percent for Biden. In Election Day voting today, Biden got 42 percent of the vote, to 10 percent for Bloomberg.

xp -- there's a certain point at which "can happen" becomes "has happened"

When Warren drops out, her voters will disperse fairly equally between Biden and Sanders. She offered wonks (like me) an option that was for action, but not a rather hopeless "revolution".

Thread:

Signs of a bad night for @MikeBloomberg. Goodnight to his campaing.
He should drop out.@ewarren should not.
She should persist to the end, for a few reasons:

1) She is no spoiler for either side. Her voters would split relatively evenly Bernie/non-Bernie: pic.twitter.com/fi9cChbXTs

— Jed Shugerman (@jedshug) March 4, 2020

I've always been of the position that the climate crisis and hereditary plutocracy were existential threats, but Sanders past disqualified him among nearly all voters who lived through the Cold War, and that his nomination would be catastrophic for downticket Dems. Here's hoping for AOC'24, but I guess I'm a Biden voter now.

and who wants to be the person who terminates their campaign not because they wanted to but because "two other people did on consecutive days, might as well throw in the towel"?

That's an even worse excuse than 'she thought she could be the dark horse on the eight ballot.'

xxxpost hey, there were toxic Bernie fuckers who whined that the DNC subverted the will of the voter in 2016 despite Hillary winning 2205 pledged delegates and needing only 177 super delegates out of the 714 superdelegates to secure the nomination, and winning the actual primary popular vote by 3.8+ million votes. I'm sure these same people will whine that the DNC is doing it again.

(oh quiet, i'm not saying the majority of Bernie voters were like that - I voted for him!)

Even if you think she hasn't actively hurt Sanders more than Biden - no majority is a worse outcome than a Biden majority.

xxp that EW shakeout is second choice absent an endorsement

Obv her support carries weight

xpost so two people unexpectedly quit in the days before Super Tuesday and you're blaming a candidate who actually perhaps maybe had a more viable reason for staying in the race (even if it was unlikely to pan out) for not kneejerk quitting the race without a lot of forethought?

particularly in a race where we were literally clowning Biden as being toast like.....72 hours ago?

her dropping out yesterday may not have even helped Bernie much. Joe's "momentum" started long before two days ago, it was just boosted significantly by those two dropping and endorsing.

besides quit acting like Bernie is "entitled" to her votes, I am sick of that attitude. he should have earned them then!