Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

btw voting for warren is fine imo, I am still a supporter of hers and would happily vote for her in the general election. I think the polling math is suggesting somewhat clearly that she is going to have a really tough time getting a plurality of delegates and that voting for her when bernie is also a palatable option increases the chances of a contested convention and in turn a biden nomination, but I also strongly suppport voting one's conscience and if she is your candidate I have no problem with that

I mean, look at the polls, he is right

No, he's not. "More popular" is not the same as "the better person for the job."

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 10:55 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

in an election it is.

warren has no path to victory and her dead-enders are enabling biden winning the nomination

theyre. not. the. same. xp

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 12:54 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Now that I think about it, I can't say for certain that I've ever seen Sanders and Warren together at the same time. THINGS TAHT MAKE YOU GO HMMM

who are you voting for, jim in vancouver?

yes, the American presidential election has no effect whatsoever on the country of Canada, whose biggest trading partner and "ally" for better or worse on the international stage is the US

ah, nationalism

oh are you canadian? I didn't know.

I've lived in Canada for 8 years, im not canadian

Why you doge question, jim

if you are in Canada and angry that warren supporters aren't throwing their votes behind bernie and thereby maybe allowing a contested primary that may or may not make biden the nominee you may be too deep even if you are on our border

simon H dodge they call it.

im not angry at Warren supporters and don't think they should be voting for Bernie

it does make me smile to see non-eligible voters on the internet try to manipulate with fear eligible voters into thinking their vote is worth less than a voter in Iowa.

For now, I'm still planning to vote for Warren because I think she would be the best president, but if Biden surges far ahead of Sanders in the next two weeks, I'll reassess.

I get deep in Bolivian politics I can do your border for breakfast

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/03/warren-sanders-working-families-party/?fbclid=IwAR0wJ0EkAM3ApBhD7LnRUgTE6-sIiKKoZuhODy69q068XNoFNsnzNNpuXkQ

_what you think she's gonna endorse Bernie after the way his supporters went after her

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/485688-bloomberg-on-warren-i-didnt-realize-shes-still-in

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg told a reporter Tuesday he “didn’t realize” that Sen. Elizabeth (D-Mass.) was still in the primary race.

Sen. Elizabeth, eh? I'd wondered what she'd been up to since the Macho Man died.

xpost was that for me? I can't vote in chilean elections. And I don't overly insert myself in their discussions about it here considering our own US president and administration is such trash.

TBF, Bloomberg strongly suggested at the last debate that the other candidates just drop out and let him take the nomination. Clearly some people can't take a strongly-worded hint.

I do recall at the time hoping he just wouldn't run and would put the force of his coalition behind her campaign.

I can't deny that I think sort of longingly about what would have happened if Sanders and Biden had both decided their era was past and it was time to stand down; we'd be having a real and meaningful discussion about Warren vs. Harris right now I'm guessing with Bloomberg still hovering around but looking drastically more grisly and decayed by comparison with a younger field. I think the party would be better off.

if you are in Canada and angry that warren supporters aren't throwing their votes behind bernie and thereby maybe allowing a contested primary that may or may not make biden the nominee you may be too deep even if you are on our border

― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:05 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

uhhhh we canadians have many very good reasons to be "in this deep" re: paying attn to this election

maybe not as much as people from mexico, central america, south america, syria, iraq, iran, india, china, the rest of the middle east and asia, also much of africa, and the penguins on what remains of antarctica, but yeah, we're preeeeeetty invested in getting you all electing someone better than the right-of-centre or right-of-right-of-centre

the idea that Warren would back Biden seems 10,000 miles beyond insanity to me. I'd say it's 90-95% she endorses Bernie and 5-10 that she endorses no one.

my post that you quoted was talking about Harris fyi

xp

my post that you quoted was talking about Harris fyi

xp

this thread move too fast

I feel like it mostly runs in place tbh

if it were running anywhere i might get a nice endorphin rush but instead i’m just anxious and sad!!!!

I do recall at the time hoping he just wouldn't run and would put the force of his coalition behind her campaign.

So did I, and I wish this had happened.

I voted, so now that I can relax, lemme ask my ILXers: if you voted for Sanders, what is it? An all-in-for-Warren site I frequent scoffs at Sanders fans as people with unrealistic ideas about destroying a system; they're especially contemptuous about Going Over the Heads of Congress to the People; they're rabid about Sanders and the worst bros hounding a Doug Jones or name-your-pick House member from suburban blue district for not falling in line and risking a sea (I worry most about this one); they see red when they think of his regulatory agency and Cabinet picks.

I accept Sanders as a second choice because choosing him at all is like a negotiation. If you've got two left-leaning candidates, go for the one whose persona codes more leftist even when the voting differences are minimal and "Democratic socialism" is a shuck anyway. Ask for everything knowing you'll only get three-quarters, etc, especially in a system that for many voters in their thirties has fucked them since 2007-2008. And I have enormous sympathy for this approach.

However, when you've got a smart woman who's actually pissed off more plutocrats and satraps standing in front of me, and a woman who isn't a heart condition survivor close to eighty, I'll vote for her. I'll admit I wanted a female president. It means a lot. And it meant a lot that Warren was a better candidate than Klobuchar and Gillibrand.

But here we are. Continue.

*risking a seat loss

i feel like you're not really asking

That Intercept piece is worth reading. The premise seems to be that Warren dropping out wouldn't necessarily be a clear benefit to Sanders: He is the leading second choice of her supporters, but only by a plurality (based on polls that still included Buttigieg and Klobuchar). So she should just collect and hang onto her delegates as long as possible rather than drop out and allow any of her supporters to migrate to Biden.

by the way, yikes!

Biden will win VA by at least 15, probably 20 plus and maybe even as much as 30. It’s going to be a blowout and he will win all 11 Congressional Districts. https://t.co/uWPQ3nu3HV

— Ben Tribbett (@notlarrysabato) March 3, 2020

Yikes.

joementum

I would assume Sanders tanks in the South across the board (basically anywhere where black voters are a majority). Possible exception, and bigger prize, is Texas.

Intercept piece's thinking mirrors my own tbh

if you voted for Sanders, what is it?

I'm a single-issue Medicare for All voter. As soon as Warren got squishy about it, it was over.

Sanders will say "Medicare for All" every day for the rest of his life and that's all I want from a president

What I want is someone to fix healthcare in this country. I couldn't possibly care less about the slogan they use.

memes are the only thing that gets through to anyone

Outside of Virginia, Sanders mostly loses in states where a Democrat hasn’t a hope in hell.

I mean here's the states that are voting, you can p much guess who's gonna win what, it's just the percentage splits that are the real question. My completely wild ass guess predictions:

Alabama - Biden
American Samoa - eh who knows, but probably Biden
Arkansas - Biden
California - Bernie, probably
Colorado - Bernie
Maine - I honestly dunno about this one
Massachusetts - Bernie
Minnesota - Bernie
North Carolina - Biden
Oklahoma - Biden
Tennessee - Biden
Texas - Bernie, maybe
Utah - Biden
Vermont - Bernie
Virginia - Biden

xps

xps to alfred
i see the office of the presidency as a political one before it is administrative. sanders has done a better job of clearly communicating a policy platform and centering the poor and working class. warren has done a better job of explaining the nuts and bolts of her plans but she has struggled to build a political coalition around that. the plans are great but “i have a plan” is not a good political message.

also the pretendianism is bad and it would super suck to have to listen to defenses of that if she were the nominee.

who the fuck are either of those guys?

multiple xps

I'm sure there are explanations beyond 'multiple candidates suddenly drop out and endorse Biden' for this shift, but for him to go from having basically no chance to a projected blow-out, basically overnight...it sure feels like there's some fuckery afoot.

Joementum > Tulsinertia

Sanders mostly loses in states where a Democrat hasn’t a hope in hell.

on the plus side, in general these states have way fewer delegates

xxp: I think maybe you guys should talk to people who aren't extremely online

I was a confirmed Liz Lad a year ago but my thinking m/l mirrors m bison’s

i see the office of the presidency as a political one before it is administrative. sanders has done a better job of clearly communicating a policy platform and centering the poor and working class. warren has done a better job of explaining the nuts and bolts of her plans but she has struggled to build a political coalition around that. the plans are great but “i have a plan” is not a good political message.

also the pretendianism is bad and it would super suck to have to listen to defenses of that if she were the nominee.

― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison)

I also see the presidential office as a political one and am sure lots of voters didn't warm to the idea of a woman giving speeches from the Oval Office.

But you're in essence right. Her message wasn't good because she isn't winning.