Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

All the narrative of Dem disarray ignores that we pointed and laughed at the Republican primary fiasco and stated they might be over as a party and dude still managed to win.

A congested field that can't produce a majority winner mighta been damaging decades ago, but in polarized era where several hundred electoral votes are pretty much guaranteed based on what letter is next to your name, it matters little in long term prognosis.

Also the "Warren can't win vs she can win if people just voted for her" debate has been recycled in near identical form here for three days. It's getting played.

xp that's why i'm pulling the lever for bill bradley. go knicks.

I just want a candidate that doesn't smell of Aspercreme and is tough on hen fap,

Would you settle for one that does, but has love for Corn Pop?

Incredible to think how well a billionaire does tonight is Sanders' best hope.

one way or another it's always up to them it seems

ok I should really follow my own advice, good luck

Seriously, it's totally expected for Sanders supporters to drag anyone that doesn't vote for him, but I wasn't expecting them to drag people who vote for him for the wrong reasons. Why not just take the W while you can?

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 1:22 PM (eighteen minutes ago)

did someone do this?

gabbnebb iirc

hissssss speak not that name

It's only bad if you say it five times

btw voting for warren is fine imo, I am still a supporter of hers and would happily vote for her in the general election. I think the polling math is suggesting somewhat clearly that she is going to have a really tough time getting a plurality of delegates and that voting for her when bernie is also a palatable option increases the chances of a contested convention and in turn a biden nomination, but I also strongly suppport voting one's conscience and if she is your candidate I have no problem with that

it is a little interesting how many of the same people who love to invoke math are willing to ignore that this time around, but that's politics, baby!

*babey

babby

Warren declared her candicacy well before Bernie iirc; I do recall at the time hoping he just wouldn't run and would put the force of his coalition behind her campaign. But I guess he figured he was the better person for the job. At this point, I hope he's right.

I mean, look at the polls, he is right

theyre. not. the. same. xp

did someone do this?

I wrote a long, angry, and combative post to answer this, but we are all better off not reading it.

I mean, look at the polls, he is right

No, he's not. "More popular" is not the same as "the better person for the job."

btw voting for warren is fine imo, I am still a supporter of hers and would happily vote for her in the general election. I think the polling math is suggesting somewhat clearly that she is going to have a really tough time getting a plurality of delegates and that voting for her when bernie is also a palatable option increases the chances of a contested convention and in turn a biden nomination, but I also strongly suppport voting one's conscience and if she is your candidate I have no problem with that

I mean, look at the polls, he is right

No, he's not. "More popular" is not the same as "the better person for the job."

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 10:55 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

in an election it is.

warren has no path to victory and her dead-enders are enabling biden winning the nomination

theyre. not. the. same. xp

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, March 3, 2020 12:54 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Now that I think about it, I can't say for certain that I've ever seen Sanders and Warren together at the same time. THINGS TAHT MAKE YOU GO HMMM

who are you voting for, jim in vancouver?

yes, the American presidential election has no effect whatsoever on the country of Canada, whose biggest trading partner and "ally" for better or worse on the international stage is the US

ah, nationalism

oh are you canadian? I didn't know.

I've lived in Canada for 8 years, im not canadian

Why you doge question, jim

if you are in Canada and angry that warren supporters aren't throwing their votes behind bernie and thereby maybe allowing a contested primary that may or may not make biden the nominee you may be too deep even if you are on our border

simon H dodge they call it.

im not angry at Warren supporters and don't think they should be voting for Bernie

it does make me smile to see non-eligible voters on the internet try to manipulate with fear eligible voters into thinking their vote is worth less than a voter in Iowa.

For now, I'm still planning to vote for Warren because I think she would be the best president, but if Biden surges far ahead of Sanders in the next two weeks, I'll reassess.

I get deep in Bolivian politics I can do your border for breakfast

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/03/warren-sanders-working-families-party/?fbclid=IwAR0wJ0EkAM3ApBhD7LnRUgTE6-sIiKKoZuhODy69q068XNoFNsnzNNpuXkQ

_what you think she's gonna endorse Bernie after the way his supporters went after her

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/485688-bloomberg-on-warren-i-didnt-realize-shes-still-in

Former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg told a reporter Tuesday he “didn’t realize” that Sen. Elizabeth (D-Mass.) was still in the primary race.

Sen. Elizabeth, eh? I'd wondered what she'd been up to since the Macho Man died.

xpost was that for me? I can't vote in chilean elections. And I don't overly insert myself in their discussions about it here considering our own US president and administration is such trash.

TBF, Bloomberg strongly suggested at the last debate that the other candidates just drop out and let him take the nomination. Clearly some people can't take a strongly-worded hint.

I do recall at the time hoping he just wouldn't run and would put the force of his coalition behind her campaign.

I can't deny that I think sort of longingly about what would have happened if Sanders and Biden had both decided their era was past and it was time to stand down; we'd be having a real and meaningful discussion about Warren vs. Harris right now I'm guessing with Bloomberg still hovering around but looking drastically more grisly and decayed by comparison with a younger field. I think the party would be better off.

if you are in Canada and angry that warren supporters aren't throwing their votes behind bernie and thereby maybe allowing a contested primary that may or may not make biden the nominee you may be too deep even if you are on our border

― Mordy, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 14:05 (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

uhhhh we canadians have many very good reasons to be "in this deep" re: paying attn to this election

maybe not as much as people from mexico, central america, south america, syria, iraq, iran, india, china, the rest of the middle east and asia, also much of africa, and the penguins on what remains of antarctica, but yeah, we're preeeeeetty invested in getting you all electing someone better than the right-of-centre or right-of-right-of-centre

the idea that Warren would back Biden seems 10,000 miles beyond insanity to me. I'd say it's 90-95% she endorses Bernie and 5-10 that she endorses no one.

my post that you quoted was talking about Harris fyi

xp

my post that you quoted was talking about Harris fyi

xp

this thread move too fast

I feel like it mostly runs in place tbh

if it were running anywhere i might get a nice endorphin rush but instead i’m just anxious and sad!!!!

I do recall at the time hoping he just wouldn't run and would put the force of his coalition behind her campaign.

So did I, and I wish this had happened.

I voted, so now that I can relax, lemme ask my ILXers: if you voted for Sanders, what is it? An all-in-for-Warren site I frequent scoffs at Sanders fans as people with unrealistic ideas about destroying a system; they're especially contemptuous about Going Over the Heads of Congress to the People; they're rabid about Sanders and the worst bros hounding a Doug Jones or name-your-pick House member from suburban blue district for not falling in line and risking a sea (I worry most about this one); they see red when they think of his regulatory agency and Cabinet picks.

I accept Sanders as a second choice because choosing him at all is like a negotiation. If you've got two left-leaning candidates, go for the one whose persona codes more leftist even when the voting differences are minimal and "Democratic socialism" is a shuck anyway. Ask for everything knowing you'll only get three-quarters, etc, especially in a system that for many voters in their thirties has fucked them since 2007-2008. And I have enormous sympathy for this approach.

However, when you've got a smart woman who's actually pissed off more plutocrats and satraps standing in front of me, and a woman who isn't a heart condition survivor close to eighty, I'll vote for her. I'll admit I wanted a female president. It means a lot. And it meant a lot that Warren was a better candidate than Klobuchar and Gillibrand.

But here we are. Continue.

*risking a seat loss