Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

that's not a very direct quote

also nobody here thinks that Obama is not a centre-right pillar of the DNC. it would be cool if he came out for Warren or Sanders ("yes we can!"), but it's no surprise that he doesn't.

that's right, keep talking about some cable nobody instead of the shame above

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius)

Because you're being as monotonous and one-dimensional as ever on these matters? Obama's judges are about the only federal resistance he's getting.

The important Chuck Tingle endorsement has arrived.

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wait, the DNC has no special power! I read that today

you become president and you get hammered toward the center/status quo as soon as you start caring about the existing critical undercurrent in meetings, committees, etc

i'm consistent dude, like Bernie xxxp

obv if I had a blog i'd go for a more punditty vibe

Obama didn't seem to get hammered toward the center, he was always there.

maybe realizing Brother Joe will get slaughtered in November might spare us 4 more years of Trump judges

ask Rev Wright

what does Reverend Wright have to say about Joe Biden in 2020? I forget.

So is MSNBC still trying to bury Sanders? Y/N

Folks, lads, lasses, and those beyond the binary:

The. Story. Needs. To. Change.

The narrative needs churn. If Sanders is down, his sudden surge will be the story. If he's up, his downfall is the story. If Biden is inevitable, his unexpectedly dismal showing is the story. When he's written off, his comeback is the story. If Pete is unheard of, his sudden rise to prominence is the story. When he outperforms expectations, his fizzle will be the story.

Lather, rinse, repeat, forever.

I went to journalism school. My grandfather owned a newspaper. When people think of "media bias" they almost always get it wrong: there is bias, but it is rarely for any particular outcome. The bias is toward a changing story.

this is why I'm sick of the valorization of journalism and of calls to subscribe to my local paper (owned by right-wing dipshits). The whole enterprise is self-deceptive!

The purpose of the news is to make you lose your mind and yet it's all "democracy dies in darkness"

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bernie getting elected would bring me some satisfaction. but bernie not getting elected would bring me a real but grim smile. and bernie not getting nommed would bring me real, schadenfreude-y lols.

this fall is gonna be so rad.

silby you always equate “journalism” with corporate news as if that’s the only way

this is why I'm sick of the valorization of journalism

Yeah in this regard I agree with silby. I got abruptly sick of the valorization of journalism and shifted my work life elsewhere. It can be a fun job but it's not a priesthood; those who treat it as a sacred calling are, with a few exceptions, deluded.

I remember seeing "All the President's Men" and "Inherit the Wind" and "His Girl Friday" as a kid and thinking journalism looked glamorous and noble, while also being a little roguish and rakish.

You wear hats, you speak truth to power, you bring corruption to light, and you take down evildoers. While drinking basically all the time! Seemed like a great lifestyle.

it's a job.

My first disappointment on entering a professional newsroom was realizing no man dressed like Rosalind Russell.

that would be two jobs.

silby you always equate “journalism” with corporate news as if that’s the only way

Local news is excellent at getting my mom to text me every time there's a crime within 10 miles of her house.

“Crime is fine” is my message to the local news watchers of America

Gonna run for mayor on a “crime is fine” platform

i am nearing the end of the ps4 spiderman game and am kind of annoyed at the way they portray cconvicted riminals that broke out of jail overtaking the city!

Ok but re: "crime is fine": Yeah there are a lot of crimes that are totally harmless. And a bunch more that are actively fun.

Even the crimes that aren't exactly fine? well... most of them are VASTLY less bad than the gigantic systemic injustices that keep the downtrodden where they are.

But I digress. Rosalind Russell looked simply smashing in a pinstripe suit and Cary Grant's offhand phone manner should serve as a model to all of us, not matter our walk of life.

Don't get me started on Robert Redford wearing a bad 70s necktie.

Obama didn't seem to get hammered toward the center, he was always there.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Monday, March 2, 2020 9:12 PM (twenty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

are you sure there isn't a chuck tingle book about this

individually mandate THIS

no shit, a city? what a paucity of ambition.

are you sure there isn't a chuck tingle book about this

― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Monday, March 2, 2020

But there ARE Dennis Perrin and Adam Johnson tweets.

the valorization of journalism is really more accurately the valorization of newspapers, which are rapidly ceasing to exist

Well, yeah

just that it was never really valorizing the likes of MSNBC (or most broadcast journalism, cronkite excepted)

I dunno, there are a lot of people who saw Clooney’s Edward R Murrow movie and started worshipping it. Plus The Newsroom for people who couldn’t get enough Sorkin.

White knighting of journalists was around long before that flick.

As well as distrust of the press

Lest we forget "Broadcast News," which made at least some nerd guys think they might kinda have even a platonic flirtation with Holly Hunter (and that that was, in sone cosmic sense, enough to justify the whole enterprise).

Disclosure: I may be a trifle overinvested in this topic

And should probably shut up now and go to bed

Final thought: my wife is a journalist and she was heavily influenced by the Reeve Suoerman movie where he looks at her underwear and then takes her flying.

Basically the cinema has not done a good job of presenting us with accurate information models of the workaday details of journalism as a profession.

As an actual current working journalist (just filed my second story of the day, hey) I agree that a whole lot of the Heroic Journalist Guardian of Liberty stuff is dumb. I do think it's important work, and done well it can contribute to a more informed polis, but it has always had abundant flaws and foibles, failures of perspective and imagination, and an overall tendency to defer to the status quo at any given point.

Nobody has ever asked to look at my underwear, though.

Superman didn't exactly *ask*

I do think it's important work, and done well it can to a more informed polis

Plus hats. Don't forget the hats.

If there weren't local journalists sitting in on all the sessions and hearings at the state capitol I wouldn't have any idea what was going on there, which would be bad. That work is not exactly glamorous but I'm sure glad there are still people getting paid to do it.

You wanna talk not glamorous, how about you're 4 hours into a County Commission meeting and ready to go home and some damn neighborhood group shows up to fight with some damn developer and the prospect of ever getting out of there starts to feel increasingly remote ...

My journalism hopes were dashed in high school when a friend a few years older graduated early from USC and came back to take his first job as a professional... driving around BFE covering high school football games.

And you can’t even get that job anymore!

so will Warren endorse Sanders or Biden if she drops out in a few weeks?

yes

It's pretty leftwing brain worms even to ask the question, imo.

Good luck (chunk of) usa

so will Warren endorse Sanders or Biden if she drops out in a few weeks?

― akm

I mean maybe, but he consistently calls for things fails to get done and consistently opposes things he fails to stop so who knows