Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

Still far preferable to the flaming disaster that is Donald Trump

big difference is that Biden's liable to start a war, imo

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This was a worthwhile article from today about the SC black vote and Biden. (Elie Mystal) https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-black-vote/

My read of the South Carolina vote is that black people know exactly what they’re doing, and why. Joe Biden is the indictment older black folks have issued against white America. His support is buttressed by chunks of the black community who have determined that most white people are selfish and cannot be trusted to do the right thing. They believe if you make white people choose between their money and their morality—between candidates like Sanders or Elizabeth Warren (who somehow finished fifth in South Carolina, behind Pete Buttigieg) and candidates like Biden and Michael Bloomberg—they will choose their money every time and twice on Election Day.

friends i am getting sad that joe biden could become the nominee, thats bad, im sad bc of the badness

is it tuesday yet

Those guys can’t make a sandwich

putting Biden between Sanders and Warren is certainly a shit sandwich

DNC has no "magic powers," just a big thumb on the scale

This debate about what white America is really prepared to do has been the most vital one in the black community since the start of the primary. It transcends policy, “likeability,” or even “electability” at least as the media seems to use the term. It goes to the core of what black people think white people are willing to do, plotted against what we know they are capable of. The Root’s politics editor, Dr. Jason Johnson, put it like this to me in one of our text debates on this crucial matter: “Voting for Bernie Sanders requires that black people believe that white people will do something they’ve never done: willingly and openly share in the economic bounty of the United States.”

this is real

I might just copy/paste the entire article here, there's so much of it I agree with

(I mean, I still am planning to vote for Warren in the primary but as far as the election goes, I'm not Blue No Matter Who because I love the fucking Democratic Party)

The Root also had Biden as the number 2 in their rankings of candidates' black agenda (warren was 1). It was written by Michael Harriot and I know some ilxors were perplexed by him last week, forewarned.

the doddering

Keep the faith. pic.twitter.com/FJh3BkNvqN

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 2, 2020

I think if Warren denies both Bernie and Biden a delegate majority, that's a good outcome. At that point, she can extract concessions (what those would be exactly idk, but I like her as a figure that bridges the party divide)

will it play out that way? who knows.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 6:43 AM (thirty-four minutes ago)

warren's likely amount of delegates even if she stays in the whole way is low enough (538 estimates an average of 243) that it wouldn't really compare to the superdelegates (771) coming in, meaning her ability to extract concessions would be pretty limited. maybe if one was going to just miss out she could make a deal to become VP or something, but i don't see that as particularly meaningful. policy-wise i think it would be likely difficult to hold biden to any real concessions in office and what policies does warren have that are better than sanders'?

that's a lot of assumptions

also it's too late, I already voted, so argue w somebody else

elderly Jerry Lewis there

u know DA DING

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black America: white America still won't let us breathe. and who can blame 'em for thinking that? they've certainly had enough lessons in it.

Jerry Lewis did positive things for the world, tho

check back Wed morning, I don't think Lazarus Biden will walk out of the tomb

He would probably improve relations with France too

Sanders voters assuming Warren voters will break their way do not know the same Warren voters I do. They are mostly women, and a lot of them really dislike Bernie. My guess is if Warren's out, at least as many go to Biden as Sanders. Warren staying in might have the benefit of making the "progressive wing" look larger than it will look if it's just down to Sanders.

It’s great that we’re not spending yet another primary season bitterly divided or anything

(That said, the Twitter video a few posts up just scared the shit out of me)

the last Democratic primary I can recall not being particularly bitter was Gore, and that was because all the embittered lefties had Nader.

it was ever thus

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like, nobody hated (or really loved) Bill Bradley.

xps

Social media has amplified the anxiety, it's true.

Those Paul Tsongas supporters could be brutal, let me tell you.

emily's list endorses warren

big difference is that Biden's liable to start a war, imo

I don't think there's any big appetite for another war within the military or within the Dem party. it would have to be sold as a "humanitarian" war to bring "freedom from oppression" to a beleaguered people to have any chance. I think Biden sees himself as a master of diplomacy and the art of negotiating deals. But I'm willing to be instructed about his warlike tendencies, which I'm sure will include supporting Bush/Cheney's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But he'd probably try to put the Iran nuclear deal back together again, if it's mendable at all.

Biden's voted for other people's wars, an easier gesture than starting your own.

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(That said, the Twitter video a few posts up just scared the shit out of me)

was this the first footage you have seen of Biden in years

when he had his marbles he was scary enough

Biden would extend my streak of voting for a minor-party candidate in November to nine prez elections

would be 11 if i hadn't caved on Mondale (pee-yuu)

Sic, I avoid debates and have only actually heard him speak here and there this primary season. I probably forgot how bad it could get.

Biden is an objectively terrible candidate. But also I don't think any of the three old men should be running, so.

what worries me is that I caught Biden on some talk show around 2017 or so and he was fairly lucid and coherent, nothing like the confused and borderline-senile guy you see today. whatever's ravaging his brain is fairly recent.

it's ok, they'll all win and they'll all lose and they'll beat Trump and lose to Trump and we'll all masturbate and we'll all cry

it would have to be sold as a "humanitarian" war to bring "freedom from oppression" to a beleaguered people to have any chance.

That's been the sales pitch on every war of our lifetimes, so what's the difference?

what worries me is that I caught Biden on some talk show around 2017 or so and he was fairly lucid and coherent, nothing like the confused and borderline-senile guy you see today. whatever's ravaging his brain is fairly recent.

― frogbs, Monday, March 2, 2020 5:26 PM

I have personal experience with this. Men over 75 are fine until suddenly something in their brain starts to crumble. Hence my worry about Sanders: he's lucid now, will he be in two years? If the presidency aged healthy men with active workout schedules like George W. Bush and Obama, what hope Sanders and Biden?

America deserves dying presidents

Biden as the nominee is some depressing shit. Not as depressing as Bloomberg, but pretty depressing.

whatever's ravaging his brain is fairly recent.

Not to be flippant about such things, and obviously everyone ages differently to some degree, but the science on this is pretty clear and it can happen pretty fast. (As anyone knows who has watched it up close.) See the first graph here: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4906299/.

he can step down and Killer Mike will ascend

xxxp

OK WAIT TIL WED MORNING SEEYA THEN

Anyone actively supporting Biden either a) hasn't heard him speak at length recently, b) has heard him speak recently and is willing to pretend that he doesn't sound the way he sounds, or c) doesn't hear anything out of the ordinary when he speaks. These are all unnerving scenarios. The Trump/Biden debate will be the scariest performance of Waiting for Godot you've ever seen.

Trump isn't going to do any debates

so we've already moved on to Biden winning the nomination, man y'all really like the silly hot takes

If Trump won't debate and Biden does a series of town halls instead it's even worse.

At least in a debate the moderator can stop his rambling.

NB: my post was not an assertion that Biden will be the nominee. I simply expect that he and Trump will have a debate at some point. Perhaps they will both aimlessly wander into the same park while half dressed a few years from now.