Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

I can't decide if Bernie winning the nomination or Bernie losing the nomination will make his supporters act freakier.

yes

exactly my position

I think if Warren denies both Bernie and Biden a delegate majority, that's a good outcome.

For Trump.

We all do recognize that our well-considered and deeply held political opinions are as but one grain of sand on a vast trash-strewn beach, don't we?

The important thing is that you’ll be able to feel superior to them.

i don't even live in a super tuesday state but i really love having warren's totally nonexistent chances of victory explained to me as if i am a three-year-old

The important thing is that you’ll be able to feel superior to them.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z)

^^ Berniebro motto iirc

ugh

so here's what I've learned from the Dem voter hot takes the previous few days:

-It's bad if Bernie wins a plurality but not a majority if he gets shafted
-It's bad if Bernie gets a majority because he'll scare away the centrists
-Bernie being the nominee is the only way we'll win
-Bernie being the nominee is the only way we'll lose
-A brokered convention isn't a bad thing
-A brokered convention is a bad thing
-Biden is the only one who can beat Trump
-Biden is a disaster
-I don't know why Warren is still in the competition, she should drop out
-Warren can't drop out, she's helping move Biden to the left
-Everybody should be killed

you go and save the best for last

can we poll those

may listen to Prefab Sprout for the 14th time this week

A Biden majority is a vastly superior option to a brokered convention, which will do nothing but hurt turnout and provide fodder for Republicans.

A Biden nomination may also 'suppress turnout." A Biden nomination may encourage older black voters. A Biden nomination may push me into blasting Ghostface.

might write in Tommy Mottola

there are so many things that could happen that have yet to happen. remember when the dnc was ratfucking iowa to make buttigieg the nominee

A Biden presidency would be like drifting around a lake while sitting in a rowboat without oars. Still far preferable to the flaming disaster that is Donald Trump, but only through the omission of self-inflicted grievous wounds.

George Clinton for prez

The magic powers of the DNC is my favorite talking point of Sanders supporters. Those guys can’t make a sandwich, much less fix an election.

My Biden-loving teen is excited you guys

Still far preferable to the flaming disaster that is Donald Trump

big difference is that Biden's liable to start a war, imo

LOOKAMYRECORD

This was a worthwhile article from today about the SC black vote and Biden. (Elie Mystal) https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/biden-black-vote/

My read of the South Carolina vote is that black people know exactly what they’re doing, and why. Joe Biden is the indictment older black folks have issued against white America. His support is buttressed by chunks of the black community who have determined that most white people are selfish and cannot be trusted to do the right thing. They believe if you make white people choose between their money and their morality—between candidates like Sanders or Elizabeth Warren (who somehow finished fifth in South Carolina, behind Pete Buttigieg) and candidates like Biden and Michael Bloomberg—they will choose their money every time and twice on Election Day.

friends i am getting sad that joe biden could become the nominee, thats bad, im sad bc of the badness

is it tuesday yet

Those guys can’t make a sandwich

putting Biden between Sanders and Warren is certainly a shit sandwich

DNC has no "magic powers," just a big thumb on the scale

This debate about what white America is really prepared to do has been the most vital one in the black community since the start of the primary. It transcends policy, “likeability,” or even “electability” at least as the media seems to use the term. It goes to the core of what black people think white people are willing to do, plotted against what we know they are capable of. The Root’s politics editor, Dr. Jason Johnson, put it like this to me in one of our text debates on this crucial matter: “Voting for Bernie Sanders requires that black people believe that white people will do something they’ve never done: willingly and openly share in the economic bounty of the United States.”

this is real

I might just copy/paste the entire article here, there's so much of it I agree with

(I mean, I still am planning to vote for Warren in the primary but as far as the election goes, I'm not Blue No Matter Who because I love the fucking Democratic Party)

The Root also had Biden as the number 2 in their rankings of candidates' black agenda (warren was 1). It was written by Michael Harriot and I know some ilxors were perplexed by him last week, forewarned.

the doddering

Keep the faith. pic.twitter.com/FJh3BkNvqN

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 2, 2020

I think if Warren denies both Bernie and Biden a delegate majority, that's a good outcome. At that point, she can extract concessions (what those would be exactly idk, but I like her as a figure that bridges the party divide)

will it play out that way? who knows.

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 3 March 2020 6:43 AM (thirty-four minutes ago)

warren's likely amount of delegates even if she stays in the whole way is low enough (538 estimates an average of 243) that it wouldn't really compare to the superdelegates (771) coming in, meaning her ability to extract concessions would be pretty limited. maybe if one was going to just miss out she could make a deal to become VP or something, but i don't see that as particularly meaningful. policy-wise i think it would be likely difficult to hold biden to any real concessions in office and what policies does warren have that are better than sanders'?

that's a lot of assumptions

also it's too late, I already voted, so argue w somebody else

elderly Jerry Lewis there

u know DA DING

xxp

black America: white America still won't let us breathe. and who can blame 'em for thinking that? they've certainly had enough lessons in it.

Jerry Lewis did positive things for the world, tho

check back Wed morning, I don't think Lazarus Biden will walk out of the tomb

He would probably improve relations with France too

Sanders voters assuming Warren voters will break their way do not know the same Warren voters I do. They are mostly women, and a lot of them really dislike Bernie. My guess is if Warren's out, at least as many go to Biden as Sanders. Warren staying in might have the benefit of making the "progressive wing" look larger than it will look if it's just down to Sanders.

It’s great that we’re not spending yet another primary season bitterly divided or anything

(That said, the Twitter video a few posts up just scared the shit out of me)

the last Democratic primary I can recall not being particularly bitter was Gore, and that was because all the embittered lefties had Nader.

it was ever thus

xxpost

like, nobody hated (or really loved) Bill Bradley.

xps

Social media has amplified the anxiety, it's true.

Those Paul Tsongas supporters could be brutal, let me tell you.

emily's list endorses warren

big difference is that Biden's liable to start a war, imo

I don't think there's any big appetite for another war within the military or within the Dem party. it would have to be sold as a "humanitarian" war to bring "freedom from oppression" to a beleaguered people to have any chance. I think Biden sees himself as a master of diplomacy and the art of negotiating deals. But I'm willing to be instructed about his warlike tendencies, which I'm sure will include supporting Bush/Cheney's wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. But he'd probably try to put the Iran nuclear deal back together again, if it's mendable at all.