Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

I imagine Chuck has dealt with a whole lot over the years


still wish whatever was completed of Flav's Bomb Squad era solo album would surface

i have a pretty good flava flav story that i should tell sometime when this story is less hot

Does it involve getting his name right?

would imagine stuff like this more to do with it than Bernie

https://www.tmz.com/2017/08/30/flavor-flav-sues-chuck-d-public-enemy-profits/

though I personally can't conceive of PE without Flav, the dynamic and contrast between him and Chuck is the key to the whole thing working

Does it involve getting his name right?

Flavor Flav. . .went to culinary school. . .

no offense, but ime these are moneygrabbing vocational schools (i graduated from one, and i was, and may still be, a moron!)

also, i believe unperson went to college

Flavor flav is da first taste ya git in da mornin,
Ya breakfast is da flavor
In between dat ta lunch, in between dat dinner,
In between dat ta midnight flavor
Yeah, das right I got somethin fa all da fandangoes of damangoes of
Da fandangoes of da mangoes

who is working at these lyric sites?

am i wrong in my belief that Chuck owns the copyright to PE? I'm pretty sure Flav has no real argument here.

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses)

according to the Rolling Stone article, this is correct

his lawyer's statement said he owned and designed the trademark

NEW: In memo, Elizabeth Warren campaign manager @RogerLau basically admits the Warren candidacy is now a convention effort.

“no candidate will likely have a path to the majority of delegates”

“Milwaukee is the final play.”

“ultimately prevail at the national convention” pic.twitter.com/UDscXO7VYF

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) March 1, 2020

I would compare this strategy to Kasich's in 2016, however I believe he actually came in 2nd somewhere.

... last final note the last final note was my last straw was long ago. It’s not about BERNIE with Flav... he don’t know the difference between BarrySanders or BernieSanders he don’t know either. FLAV refused to support @Sankofa after @harrybelafonte inducted us. He don’t do that pic.twitter.com/5Ky9dTnzmd

— Chuck D (@MrChuckD) March 1, 2020

Warren, out of everyone, is the person I think has the strongest claim for making a play at the convention -- she is arguably the person who is acceptable and appealing to the broadest coalition of Dem voters. If she were consistently getting 15% and coming in third I would think her case was quite strong. As it is, I dunno. I do think there are people on the big-money side of the party who truly see her as a bomb-throwing commie, which I can't quite grasp, but people are different.

If you're Latino in Miami under 30, you lean toward Sanders. Warren has no constituency here in my anecdotal experience beyond, yeah, men and women over 35 (gay and straight), with college degrees or higher. Biden has everybody else. I've never heard anyone mention Bloomberg.

I honestly don't see what makes her significantly more moderate than Sanders on economic or environmental policy or appealing to the big money side of the party? Arguably, she may be more hardcore about taking on Wall Street. Also not sure what the basis for regarding her as acceptable and appealing to the broadest coalition of Dem voters when she is clearly not acceptable and appealing enough to get their votes?xp

xxposts wealth tax is anathema to people with big wealth. but yes in an alternate world where that was not the case, Warren (especially a Warren who starts racking up reasonable numbers of delegates tomorrow) could be the most plausible "bridge" candidate between Sanders and the centrists. there'd be a lot of other work to do and stans of various factions to calm down, etc. etc. i'd be very very surprised if that happened though --- the balance of delegates among the candidates being bridged would have to be just so.

the more electable one is the one who gets fewer votes and/or hasn't run at all is some kinda logic

pray against brokering

also they are both proposing a wealth tax xp

I think warren should drop out but I’ve got limited sympathy when I hear that from Nader voters.

Warren has no constituency here in my anecdotal experience beyond, yeah, men and women over 35 (gay and straight), with college degrees or higher.

Specifically Gen Xers, ime. Which is why my Facebook feed is disproportionately pro-Warren.

clearly not acceptable and appealing enough to get their votes

You can still be pretty acceptable and appealing without being someone's first choice. But look, I'm not saying this is going to happen, just what Doctor Casino is saying -- she's the only plausible bridge candidate. it's more likely we are not going to try to bridge, and that's fine, because Dem voters will get behind the nominee whoever it is. Biden: "if I don't get the nomination and Bernie gets it, I'm going to work like hell for him." Sanders said much the same about Biden just the other day, can't find the quote now.

I keep marvelling at how people seem to want to spin her as a moderate or pragmatic alternative to Sanders when she is running on virtually the same platform, with less of a popular base, after a term and a half as a shit-disturber in the Senate.

It seems relatively minor but this was a little interesting. Anyone know how credible this report is?: https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-one-corporate-tax-shelter-bernie-sanders-supported-is-vermonts?ref=scroll

Also, how realistic is Sanders's suggested plan of using the VP to force legislation through the Senate under budget reconciliation rules vs abolishing the filibuster altogether? It seems like something a President could actually do but also a curious way of using executive power?

I really wonder what it would look like if we did ranked choice because I think that's what is killing Warren; you don't get points for being everyone's second- or third-favorite.

the pragmatism comes with all her documented plans. Being that organized leads people to consider you boring.

Specifically Gen Xers, ime. Which is why my Facebook feed is disproportionately pro-Warren.

― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Monday, March 2, 2020 10:24 AM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I mean, it's white college-educated voters in general. But yeah, probably the youngest of those tip more toward Bernie, and the oldest tip toward Biden.

i did this 538 Super Tuesday sim with my own guesses of where each state would go and ended up with uh Sanders and Biden exactly tied at 14.8% chance to win a majority :(
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/super-tuesday/

I thought this piece really crystallized the appeal of Warren for me (and others like me) but also pointed to why she hasn't won over the masses:

Warren’s appeal to a certain sort of politically engaged Democrat is that she combines bold progressive goals with extensive experience navigating US institutions and detailed plans for bureaucratic reform. It’s the best of both worlds, ambitious and pragmatic.

But there may not be all that many Democratic primary voters who want those two things together. It may be that the Democrats who want ambition don’t want pragmatism and the ones who claim to want pragmatism don’t want ambition.

https://www.vox.com/2020/2/27/21150341/elizabeth-warren-procedural-reform-social-trust

You can still be pretty acceptable and appealing without being someone's first choice.

Indeed, I find both Sanders and Biden acceptable and appealing and I may well not vote for either of those guys!

I keep marvelling at how people seem to want to spin her as a moderate or pragmatic alternative to Sanders when she is running on virtually the same platform

I keep marvelling at how people think a politician is their platform!

a few months ago the race was full of people who seemed pretty acceptable but who were (almost) no one's first choice

I keep marvelling at how people think a politician is their platform!

I mean, she certainly gives the impression that her plans are pretty important to her.

With at least one exception.

I like how the angry lefties in the party have gone from being resentful at having their votes taken for granted by the Democratic Party to taking the votes of angry centrists for granted.

many xps

dat's politics babee

40 years of being hectored about voting blue no matter who will do that.

Aside from real political concerns, the best reason to nominate Bernie is to test centrists commitment to the bit.

I suspect the "these simps will whinge endlessly and then turn out for whoever" argument is largely correct but as with everything else, we'll see

Let’s not with “simps” ffs

Do you like sounding like an au courant channer

Much prefer dweebs, goobers or mooks.

"Also not sure what the basis for regarding her as acceptable and appealing to the broadest coalition of Dem voters when she is clearly not acceptable and appealing enough to get their votes" She's almost everyone's second choice, just not everyone's first.

I havne't filled in my ballot yet and was going to vote for her in CA since I assume Bernie is going to win CA in a landslide; but now even people locally are urging everyone to vote Sanders and not her to avoid this convention thing. Maybe I'm naive but IMO if it comes to a brokered convention between Warren and Sanders, that should be a win/win. That said I guess everyone is a fucking whiny bitch who will throw a fit if it's not their candidate.

It wouldn’t be a brokered convention between Warren and Sanders, though.

a simp is a person lacking common sense. Is this ableist now or something?

ffs, this thread.

The 'second choice' section here doesn't support the idea that Warren is almost everyone's second choice, except for Sanders voters: https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

Are there other polls showing this?

Warren has no constituency here

in MN my professional-management-class friends my gen and older are quite sold on her, in a way that seems to replicate the common observation about academic voters, that the tenured go for warren, the adjuncts go for bernie (not just an age thing, as jaymc says, but a class thing). but these are people for whom it would basically be too normie to boost klobuchar as the hometown centrist, so it's hard to say how much of a showing warren will have against that expected effect on the outcome. i think warren is not having much of an actual impact here outside the hopes of those fans. sanders beat clinton pretty decisively here but iirc that was perceived to have something to do—aside from an affirmation of sanders' politics and the winnability of caucuses—with the mysterious combination of clintonian baggage and midwestern reluctance to put a woman in leadership, i.e. maybe idiosyncratic to HRC, maybe not.

a simp is a person lacking common sense. Is this ableist now or something?

Aside from real political concerns, the best reason to nominate Bernie is to test centrists commitment to the bit.

I feel like that commitment is not even slightly in doubt, and that fact is indeed the core of Sanders's electability case.

xp I don't know "simp" this way, it seems sort of antiquated if anything, like a dig you'd make in the 50s

“Simp” has been blowing up on the webs this year which is why Simon H had it ready to hand