Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

when's warren gonna start going after Biden's bankruptcy bill, that's what I wanna know

it's an open goal for all the other candidates, too

the vicissitudes of the cycle have allowed biden to skate past the worst shit in his record...don't think anyone has brought up Anita Hill either

Okay, I admit, I waste too much time on US pol minutiae... But didn't Warren go after Biden on the bankruptcy bill at the very first debate? Something about him wanting to try and take credit that he helped it as VP and she got really mad or something?

Yeah, okay, fair enough, I'm leaving the thread for todayt, lol

just today?

^ gift horse inspector

It's the campaign + her not really offering anything as VP - she doesn't improve Bernie's numbers with any group except dedicated Vote Blue No Matter Who liberals.

Warren offers a lot in Treasury, the additional role the Sanders campaign checked out for her (and she could do plenty in other VP/cabinet roles). And as she's the #2 choice of so many people, adding her as #2 ought to do plenty to bring people over to a combined Sanders-led ticket.

She's also a dynamic campaigner, which gains the ticket more than a Tim Kaine in the final six months. Plus if you are concerned about a 78-year-old man with a heart condition, and/or she was either your #1 or #2 choice, it's a reasonable dice-roll that she'll get to ascend.

She's also a dynamic campaigner

citation needed

she's had the second most successful presidential run of any woman in history, i think theres something to say for that

https://carlbeijer.substack.com/p/inside-warrens-collapsing-base

Buttigieg has had the most successful Presidential campaign by an openly LGBTQ person, doesn’t make him a dynamic campaigner.

It’s weird how gleefully Bernie supporters gloat at the death of a campaign rival who is a proven progressive ally but happens to be female.

She's also a dynamic campaigner

citation needed

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, March 1, 2020 3:11 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Come on, man, you don't have to like her to notice that she is energetic and draws enthusiastic crowds.

yeah, im of the opinion that having two progressive contenders in the race has strengthened bernie's position in the mainstream of american politics

Buttigieg has had the most successful Presidential campaign by an openly LGBTQ person, doesn’t make him a dynamic campaigner.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, March 1, 2020 3:24 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

what is the fucking benchmark here? getting the presidential nomination is hard af. like, we're talking about raw political skill, not policies here. pete convinced a lot of ppl that the 37-year-old gay mayor of a small indiana town could be president, thats something.

I didn’t call anyone a “dynamic campaigner” but if the standard is “still running for President” and “draws crowds” then it’s a meaningless phrase, because it applies to everyone in history who’s made it past New Hampshire.

yeah, im of the opinion that having two progressive contenders in the race has strengthened bernie's position in the mainstream of american politics

Warren, going forward, makes it more likely that a non-progressive is the nominee (and loses to Trump).

It’s weird how gleefully Bernie supporters gloat at the death of a campaign rival

When someone shows you who they are etc

Biden is now the popular vote leader in the dem primary.

All is right with the world

Joementum is unstoppable

That’s some outstanding bad faith phrasing. The ‘campaign rival’ is ‘dead’ and yet still running, a ‘political ally’ yet actively working against the other politically and only ramping up the opposition - despite this campaign death.

citation needed

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, March 1, 2020 4:11 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It’s weird how gleefully Bernie supporters gloat at the death of a campaign rival who is a proven progressive ally but happens to be female.

― rb (soda), Sunday, March 1, 2020 4:29 PM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

like this has been a messy primary and hate is being flung around in every direction, you can't possibly be surprised if supporters of one candidate aren't big fans of another candidate

there are good people on both sides

are you shocked that the side with 3-5 times the support is giving you more examples to get angry about

milo i know this place can get pretty hagiographic about warren but you've got a serious case of the twitter brain

I was responding to the (dumb and meaningless) phrase "dynamic campaigner" in terms of a VP role, and specifically in that there's no evidence of her being a great politician (or campaigner).

Warren is a great debater and probably an outstanding bureaucrat. She does not appear to be particularly skilled as a politician, any more than anyone else in high office (and less than many). Klobuchar has a stronger claim of political skill - she worked her way up the ranks of political offices, had less of a core of support at the start of all this bullshit and has stuck it out just as long and to just about as great an effect.

don't think most of that even matters when it comes to campaigning though. she's an energetic, clear speaker who fires people up and carries a devoted base. and to the majority of americans she's the #2 figure (still ahead of AOC) in a progressive movement that has very few big figures; if she isn't a part of the bernie campaign if he gets the nomination, it makes the movement seem much weaker. it would also make bernie look like a ridiculous isolated crank if she isn't invited to the tent. the tent's gonna need to be big if a progressive has any hope of beating trump imo

OTM

What does matter when it comes to campaigning, then? Who's a bad campaigner? (That's kind of my point, it's a nonsense metric - Bloomberg and Tulsi aside they all have bases, they all have crowds.)

It's up to Warren, not Sanders, whether she's 'inside the tent' and campaigning for him if he's the nominee - which is very different from being the VP nominee.

Her base, in particular, is kind of irrelevant - upper middle class liberals and liberals with graduate degrees are going to vote the Democrat regardless. They don't need to be kept onside. Klobuchar would be a better 'let's talk about some game theory' VP pick.

don't think most of that even matters when it comes to campaigning though. she's an energetic, clear speaker who fires people up and carries a devoted base. and to the majority of americans she's the #2 figure (still ahead of AOC) in a progressive movement that has very few big figures; if she isn't a part of the bernie campaign if he gets the nomination, it makes the movement seem much weaker. it would also make bernie look like a ridiculous isolated crank if she isn't invited to the tent. the tent's gonna need to be big if a progressive has any hope of beating trump imo

― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖),

otm

*vote for the Democrat

What does matter when it comes to campaigning, then? Who's a bad campaigner? (That's kind of my point, it's a nonsense metric - Bloomberg and Tulsi aside they all have bases, they all have crowds.)

It's up to Warren, not Sanders, whether she's 'inside the tent' and campaigning for him if he's the nominee - which is very different from being the VP nominee.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:50 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Her base, in particular, is kind of irrelevant - upper middle class liberals and liberals with graduate degrees are going to vote the Democrat regardless. They don't need to be kept onside. Klobuchar would be a better 'let's talk about some game theory' VP pick.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Sunday, March 1, 2020 5:52 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Campaigning is just PR! Admittedly her campaign had made some huge mistakes, most of all the DNA thing, but getting your own campaign off the ground is a different story than stumping for someone else.

The bargain for Bernie is that he would probably much rather have her in Senate than his cabinet while she would probably not want to drop out of the race without switching jobs, and she may only campaign for him under the assumption of a cabinet position. But I might be fanficking. I just can't imagine either of them happily returning to senate after all they've put into this race. None of this would be a problem if hard blue states would stop voting for GOP governors.

As for her base, she wouldn't expand his much in the general but could probably win him the primary. Her supporters at this point seem as likely to support Biden or Pete or Amy. A solid chunk seems to hate bernie and wouldn't consider him without a liz endorsement.

Buttigieg out?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/01/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-drops-out.html

But even then it means something to have someone like that stumping for you even for voters who weren't supporting her. She wouldn't just be trying to bring in her base, she'd be stumping to make bernie look more appealing and less scary to mods and undecideds.

Xp

Holy moly

PETE OUT!

THIS IS NOT A DRILL!

idgi, why not wait until wednesday

Every day alive costs money

People go back to the Senate all the time, even after losing as the nominee. If she'd only endorse and campaign in exchange for a Cabinet position... I mean, that's on her deciding to be outside of the tent. (nb: I think this is irrelevant and never going to happen, she'll campaign for him just like he did Hillary)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tg8BaOaQKxQ

Joementum is unstoppable (god help us all)

watching the statement on MSNBC

yep!

WASHINGTON (AP) — AP sources: @PeteButtigieg ending his race for Democratic presidential nomination. pic.twitter.com/yz4vO5Jtka

— Meg Kinnard (@MegKinnardAP) March 1, 2020

Bad news

you're assuming all his votes go to centrist biden? i'm not so sure.
the more i've seen of buttigieg the less i have liked him, this seems positive.

Peace out Pete

All seven remaining Buttigieg voters outside the early states

Fewer candidates means more candidates reaching 15%

Imagine the 538 odds are gonna shoot up to 90% brokered convention

Times with ~the narrative~ it could mean a surge to Biden too