Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

You're still not getting the point.

10 states matter. That's wrong.

So how does a national political party call attention to that fact?

Y-y-y-your idea?????

i thought 2 of the last 5 presidential elections won by popular vote losers was a pretty good one?

You haven't explained what purpose "calling attention to that fact" would serve xp

Y-y-y-your idea?????

If only 10 states matter in the general, focus.

I think assuming the swing states that apparently decide elections aren't influenced by other states, or that voter turnout could get messed up in non-swing states through selections in which they had no part, is erroneous

which states mattered in the 1984 presidential election?

Guys, I seriously doubt that Sanpaku intended his post as a white paper report on the best way to fix the current imbalances in the electoral system, so much as an expression of frustration at same. I'd note that the ilxor who has never posted a badly conceived response in regard to an emotionally charged topic should throw the first stone. iow, maybe Ned should weigh in.

are you familiar with Sanpaku's posts? not really dealing in offhand comments afaict

Back and to the left...

Xpost?

Idk anymore

thought he was pointing out the absurd reality that since most states are red or blue no matter who is running, we let the voters of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania decide the nominee

Eh good morning

Back and to the left...

― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal)

A+

If only 10 states matter in the general, focus.

HRC focused on the ones that matter, and it turned out the ones that don't matter, matter.

I'm glad he ran just so we could see this beautiful moment: https://t.co/yIMQ9ywIhG

— The Handsomest Man in O-Town (@MrFiste11306624) March 1, 2020

godspeed strange fellow

barrrrgghh

this video was doctored and isn’t real i’m hallucinating it pic.twitter.com/TA0LbZi5Oj

— Liv (@LivPosting) February 29, 2020

Dat ass so nice
It embedded twice

Warren’s comments on Bernie Sanders tonight: pic.twitter.com/d7RimfVyei

— Mike Prysner (@MikePrysner) March 1, 2020

that's a yikes from me

Xxpost

Bruh you look dumb
Won't you close that PAC up

It's not an unfair cop, although I don't think Warren's own legislativeSenate record is much more impressive in those terms? (CFPB was pre-Senate iirc, although arguably it might show executive experience at a national level, which could be more relevant to the position, despite her ambitious legislative platform.) The hope would be that electing Sanders to a position of greater power would make it more feasible for him to get things done but there are a lot of unknowns.

I mean, Sanders has got some worthwhile amendments through, e.g. funding for community health centres. Neither of them has that much of a record of implementing things on the scale of a wealth tax, Green New Deal, free tuition, or M4A (via a public option or otherwise), which is what both of them are running on.

how do you build an "impressive legislative record" when most of your party are "centrist" do-nothings who revile your ideology?

"What are you gonna do on Inauguration Day?"

"Watch Liz take the oath of office, of course. You?"

"Same. Then I'll brunch with dear friends as we celebrate President Warren!"

"Say -- are your feet getting wet?" pic.twitter.com/eBWdRAw1bx

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) February 29, 2020

huh?

Yeah, if anything, Sanders mobilizing his base to pressure Congress seems like a slightly more believable plan than Warren getting these things done with idk administrative competence or academic credentials or idk what.xp

xp last night:

I've lived in suburban Texas, very progressive Wisconsin, and suburban Louisiana. Only for 1/7 presidential votes in my adult life have I mattered much. I donate to 5 distant senate races, rather than my own. The US is running on Democracy 2.0, when most of the world is on Democracy 4.0 and above...

Fuck yes! its an expression of frustration.

how do you build an "impressive legislative record" when most of your party are "centrist" do-nothings who revile your ideology?

this question, asked rightly, would tend to make a person ask "so, do I want to vote for the candidate whose platform I like best, or the candidate who will be able to get the centrists, who aren't going anywhere, to pass more progressive legislation than they'd otherwise pass?"

a plan iirc

xp

And she has fewer political skills than we thought.

Sanders seems more likely to do that imo.2xp

^agree, also we are ejecting dozens of centrists in 2022

just a general evaluation of LoserLiz, Sotosyn

So it looks like Sanders only got about 10,000 more raw votes in the primary than in 2016?

thats's not surprising, there's 3x as many candidates

assuming sanders is still the frontrunner (he is), SC is a good reminder that his campaign still has work to do on Black voter turnout, particularly the older Black voters that historically turn out. folks itt saying it's a red state is not the way to think about things when he's going to to need support from Black voters in many swing states (and to get his bills passed).

y’know it’s interesting, I see people complaining that Bernie supporters are being dismissive and disrespectful of the good voters in South Carolina, but many of these people are also complaining that people aren’t voting for Warren when it’s so super obvious she’s the most electable and it’s such a travesty that she’s being erased. Seems like they’re trying to have it both ways?

(I like Warren a lot btw)

Well, yeah. As poorly as Sanders scored with black voters over 30, Warren did worse.

Isn't he weakest w older voters in general, regardless of race?

Yes but I believe the Democratic coalition includes more black conservatives than white conservatives

who are black voters gonna go for in Trump v Sanders? hmmmmm

Democrats are sleepwalking into a disaster and threatening to nominate a completely unelectable candidate solely because of his unrealistic promises. Only one man can stop this. It's time for Barack Obama to endorse Bernie Sanders.

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) March 1, 2020

Sund4r and Morbius: Why do you think Sanders would be more likely than Warren to get progressive legislation passed in Congress? I don't buy that mobilizing the base to exert pressure on Mitch McConnell would actually be effective, and I don't know how you get very much done in the Senate if you're not willing to end the filibuster.

For me, the most-persuasive argument for Sanders at this point is an electability one.

Oh cool this again

who are black voters gonna go for in Trump v Sanders?

Potentially nobody

i also have my reservations about the "bringing the fight to mitch mcconnell's backyard" strategy but otoh bernie sanders has already been shifting the national conversation and the way we talk about what can be done in this country

Not gonna happen.

We need the Senate. But y'all knew that.

if Bernie wins, he's gotta go with Stacy Abrams

jaymc: I'm voting on executive orders etc

if it's a GOP Senate, no Dem prez is passing shit