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Does the verb form suggesting violence done with a bottle entail more courage or cowardice, I wonder

It's rhyming slang: "bottle & glass" = class (I think), as in to have class (as a fighter); so to lose one's bottle, to bottle it.

fetter, Friday, 28 February 2020 10:45 (four years ago) link

fix

Paperbag raita (ledge), Friday, 28 February 2020 10:56 (four years ago) link

labour

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Friday, 28 February 2020 16:17 (four years ago) link

"Terribly" can mean very well or very badly.

She's terribly educated vs She was terribly educated

fetter, Friday, 28 February 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link

gonna need a stewards enquiry on labour.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Friday, 28 February 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link

fix

As in "in a fix" = having problems?

fetter, Friday, 28 February 2020 17:33 (four years ago) link

yep. brought to my attention by a line in a children's book, "I'll sort your monster fix".

Paperbag raita (ledge), Friday, 28 February 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link

It's rhyming slang: "bottle & glass" = class (I think), as in to have class (as a fighter); so to lose one's bottle, to bottle it.

I thought it was "bottle and glass" = arse (it works in a Cockney accent), so losing your bottle means to shit yourself?

Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Friday, 28 February 2020 18:17 (four years ago) link

funky

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Friday, 28 February 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link

contranym

reggie (qualmsley), Friday, 28 February 2020 18:19 (four years ago) link

sanction

Fizzles, Friday, 28 February 2020 19:59 (four years ago) link

OP otm

Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 February 2020 05:30 (four years ago) link

Missing from this list afaict:
ravel

Something Super Stupid Cupid (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 29 February 2020 05:33 (four years ago) link

sick

Lee626, Saturday, 29 February 2020 13:02 (four years ago) link

three weeks pass...

sound

budo jeru, Sunday, 22 March 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link

string

budo jeru, Saturday, 28 March 2020 19:19 (four years ago) link

seven months pass...

dust

budo jeru, Thursday, 12 November 2020 21:21 (three years ago) link

nice one!

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Thursday, 12 November 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link

then again, if you’d change the lyrics of the Kansas hit to “all we do is dust in the wind”, it wouldn’t change the meaning of the song at all

kiss some penis reference (breastcrawl), Saturday, 14 November 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link

gallant

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 November 2020 11:47 (three years ago) link

previously meant “sexually forward” i.e. a man motivated by trying to get into ladies’ knickers and was basically negative

then became a bit of a catch-all for “courageous”, not just in carnal matters

then the honorable side of courage rubbed off on it, but the previous association with behaviour towards women remained, so magically “gallant” now means “chivalrous” - previously its exact antonym!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 14 November 2020 11:55 (three years ago) link

Same etymon as 'well' (e.g. 'well-being') and the Gallo-Roman 'walare', which meant 'to chill' (figuratively, that is). The ancestors had their priorities straight.

pomenitul, Saturday, 14 November 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link

Along the same lines: 'to host' could also mean 'to lodge at an inn' back in the day. Its ambiguity subsists in the French 'hôte', which denotes both guest and host depending on the context. Nor is a host in the military sense a welcome guest in most cases, but it's not an exact antonym either.

pomenitul, Saturday, 14 November 2020 13:24 (three years ago) link

Speaking of French, it also features a number of spectacular diachronic reversals: 'rem' (Latin accusative of 'res', i.e. 'thing') eventually became 'rien' (nothing).

From most to least obsolete, the nouns 'mie' (the soft part of bread), 'goutte' (drop (of liquid)), 'point' (self-explanatory) and 'pas' (step) double as adverbs that mean 'not' (e.g. 'je (ne) peux pas'). Presumably 'ne' or 'n'' on their own (as in 'on n'y voit goutte') are too puny to bear the mighty weight of negation.

pomenitul, Saturday, 14 November 2020 13:40 (three years ago) link

four months pass...

fain

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link

Definition of fain (Entry 1 of 2)
1a : WILLING
he was very fain, for the young widow was "altogether fair and lovely … "
— Amy Kelly
b : being obliged or constrained : COMPELLED
Great Britain was fain to devote its whole energy … to the business of slaying and being slain
— G. M. Trevelyan

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:28 (three years ago) link

"performative" seems to have developed a couple of almost opposite meanings, not sure which definition came first

nothing (Left), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:38 (three years ago) link

also: communism (no state vs supreme state)

nothing (Left), Friday, 2 April 2021 20:43 (three years ago) link

nonplussed

(contradictory usage if not actual meaning but it ain't going away.)

Noel Emits, Saturday, 3 April 2021 00:32 (three years ago) link

Karen

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, 4 April 2021 03:33 (three years ago) link

I was reminded of this thread by an advert for a furniture store which uses Marvin Gaye & Tammi Terrell's "Ain't Nothing Like the Real Thing" as its soundtrack. Are they able to give those massive discounts they're always telling us about because their stuff is just cheap tat?

Duncan Disorderly (Tom D.), Sunday, 4 April 2021 13:28 (three years ago) link

"fellow children" because sometimes it means you are a child and sometimes is means you are in fact masquerading as a child

your own personal qanon (darraghmac), Sunday, 4 April 2021 14:26 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

spare:

being in excess of present need; free for other use: spare time.

frugally restricted or meager, as a manner of living or a diet: a spare regime.

koogs, Wednesday, 21 April 2021 03:00 (three years ago) link

Yeah that's good!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 21 April 2021 08:54 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Beheaded

Pfizer the pharma chip (wins), Saturday, 22 May 2021 11:38 (three years ago) link

one year passes...

am i understanding these definitions correctly? 1 and 2 are opposite, no? even the “or” in 1b seems to point the two options in opposite directions

noesis

1 : purely intellectual apprehension:
a Platonism : the highest kind of knowledge or knowledge of the eternal forms or ideas —contrasted with dianoia

b in Husserl : the subjective aspect of or the act in an intentional experience —distinguished from noema

2 : cognition especially when occurring through direct knowledge

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 5 June 2022 15:29 (two years ago) link

Handicap, as it applies in golf. Perhaps not contradictory but counter-intuitive

"Dust" is my favourite in this thread. Imagine that when it was time to do the sweeping you'd say "can you dirt the floor today please"

a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 5 June 2022 15:50 (two years ago) link

classic Amelia Bedelia scene depending on that one iirc

Tracer Hand, Sunday, 5 June 2022 16:15 (two years ago) link

Hahahah

a legible shriek (flamboyant goon tie included), Sunday, 5 June 2022 16:19 (two years ago) link

five months pass...

“the goat”

Tracer Hand, Saturday, 26 November 2022 23:05 (one year ago) link

Ha, yes! Took me ages to figure out this new meaning, scratched my head many times on the way

The Dark End of the Tweet (James Redd and the Blecchs), Saturday, 26 November 2022 23:28 (one year ago) link

eleven months pass...

contemporary!

― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, November 28, 2018 7:51 AM (four years ago) bookmarkflaglink

budo jeru, Tuesday, 14 November 2023 23:43 (six months ago) link

Off: turn off, set off (e.g. a fire alarm)

organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 08:31 (six months ago) link

“turn” and “set” are different words

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:20 (six months ago) link

they're not the word in question.

organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:29 (six months ago) link

well then you could say anything is contradictory! the word “turn” - turn up vs turn down etc

Humanitarian Pause (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:40 (six months ago) link

typcially to put something in an 'off' state - turn off, switch off - is to disable it or stop it. in some cases - set off, kick off - it can mean to enable or start. ok strictly speaking it's the phrase as a whole which has the meaning, nevertheless i find it curious and amusing that 'off' can be used in this way.

organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:46 (six months ago) link

i think "off" in that second group is working more as "free" or "release" or "unleash". i agree that it's doing something different to turning off a switch

Tyler Perry's Cystitis (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:54 (six months ago) link

let's set off the fire extinguisher! no, turn it off, turn it off!

organ doner (ledge), Wednesday, 15 November 2023 09:55 (six months ago) link


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