Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

I agree about that, actually

I thought about trying to join Socialist Alternative but you have to submit to an interview where they ask you if you agree with their views and I'm not up for that

now there's a party

I was typing on my phone while eating lunch, Shakes, I mean you could have asked me to explain what I meant rather than having a rage incident.

I said we 'don't have political parties' because - via the undemocratic structure - we don't have something (rules, platforms, a coherent ideology) built and actually supported by membership. Again, this was specifically in reference to the DNC superdelegate rules, which had essentially zero democratic influence in their creation.

essentially zero democratic influence

this is also not true

I mean just... what is it with these sweeping pronouncements

aaahahahahahaha

appearing at a Tom Steyer rally tomorrow night in Columbia, S.C.: Yolanda Adams, DJ Jazzy Jeff, and Juvenile

— Josh Jamerson (@joshjame) February 27, 2020

why look, a vote of the party membership determined something
https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/25/politics/democrats-superdelegates-voting-changes/index.html

7000 people who could travel across the country voted on a proposal forced on the executive committee, yes.

That is definitely more democratic and less elitist than a major decision being put to any larger portion of the 30+ million people who voted in the 2016 primary because you saw the word 'dues.'

I kinda don't want microdecisions left to voters

What about macrodecisions like “party chair” and “nomination rules”

required dues seem bad, but suggested dues seems reasonable?

some caucuses and primaries are completely covered by the state party, and in Iowa the expenses were actually pushed back down to the county organization

so there was a literal "pass the envelope" situation and I'm thinking a lot of counties came up way short

Xpost Yes those are fine

2016 DNC attendee income numbers can be found in here: https://www.cbcfinc.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/CPAR-2016-DNC-Report-min.pdf

43% made more than $100k
23% made more than $150k

Same distribution as the general public right?

Totes

V democratic

it's the party that brought Shakey to the dance.

I was planning to do some legwork for DSA when I paid the dues two years ago, but since then i'm doing things like fighting w/ the NY State health marketplace so I don't have to pay two deductibles after they signed me up for the wrong plan

(thx Democrats)

Those 7000 ppl voting were democratically elected by party membership

Many xps

and now we're arguing about whether parties should charge dues for the privilege of participating via online voting.

no organisation should have online voting for anything

by many countries' standards neither the GOP or Dems would qualify as proper political parties, I suspect

they are both pork-barrel factories

didn’t even get a membership card! Sham party imo.

they probably have it in an envelope with your name on it at the entrance table to every meeting

I pay them $25 and they can’t spring for a stamp?

appearing at a Tom Steyer rally tomorrow night in Columbia, S.C.: Yolanda Adams, DJ Jazzy Jeff, and Juvenile

back that cazzh truck up

I pay them $25 and they can’t spring for a stamp?

you pay them $25 and can’t be botherd going to the meetings tbf

I pay $25 for a lot of stupid things I don’t take advantage of.

Probably one of the more common amounts of money for me to spend fruitlessly.

Feel like this thread is Carlo Rizzi getting Sonny worked up

I pay 25$ every time I visit ILX. doesn't everyone?

Do we tell him?

Chris Hayes kicking ass now on MSNBC.

whose?

white centrism

I buy all my Campbell's Soup at the White Center

must be nice to work someplace where everyone else is so shit that you look like a genius

Οὖτις at 5:38 27 Feb 20

a political party that requires dues paying is a) elitist and b) inherently corrupt

what if you pay dues....in the streets

https://i.ibb.co/1QPHpCh/8ff8dcf66691eb396bb609e97708d6b7.jpg

iirc you "pay your dues" by doing your politicking in dive bars, then in dinky clubs, then touring regionally in spightly better clubs. Then you ink a deal with a major political party. Suddenly you're voting in stadiums and traveling in a tour bus with your logo on the side. Then you have a nightmare descent into drugs and groupies. Then rehab, a return to form, and a comeback tour. That's paying your dues.

Only after you have done so may you properly sing the blues.

....turn the page

Major label gives you 250k votes up front but then you're in debt to them forever. Election cycle after election cycle you've just got to go up on Hardball and and dance for your masters.

somebody’s forgetting “back to the basics”

Every politician has their "New Jersey"

correct, it’s New Jersey

...and you know it don't come ersey

Kicksturt my urt

well that was quick

NEW: Warren super PAC plunges $9 MILLION into Super Tuesday states.

Warren likely now has the biggest super PAC of the cycle, or at least close to it. pic.twitter.com/TOoIP0GW31

— Shane Goldmacher (@ShaneGoldmacher) February 28, 2020

i know there's tight competition for worst debate of the election but both this and biden's mandela lie going completely unquestioned was ridiculous

Let’s be clear: I won't take a dime of PAC money in this campaign. I won't take a single check from a federal lobbyist, or billionaires who want to run a Super PAC on my behalf.

And I challenge every other candidate who asks for your vote in this primary to do the same.

— Elizabeth Warren (@ewarren) February 9, 2019

it's cool that pledges just don't mean shit

Not gonna troll a couple of friends who decided Bernie's medical records thing made him unfit for office.

Why should pledges mean shit, these people want to be president, they aren’t good

Reversals this brazen tell you some things.

haha just learned that my cousin, whom i met once when i was like eight, is bloomberg's chairman in mass