The Irish

this story's very elliptical about how an axe fight broke out at this funeral

Oh silbs

I mean, I guess I know, but, I don't, at all

lol it looks like there is at least 2 plasterboard knifes/padsaws (whatever you call them) amongst that lot, very handy for cutting into dry-walls - not so sure they work so well as lethal weapons.

I meant how elliptical the story is, not the axe fight bit. It’s all very read-between-the-lines stuff! Deems maybe can back me up here (lol emigrant), but a lot of these stories are written as such cos all the locals know what/who it’s about? Same way the parents don’t bother using eircodes.

lol it looks like there is at least 2 plasterboard knifes/padsaws (whatever you call them) amongst that lot, very handy for cutting into dry-walls - not so sure they work so well as lethal weapons.

what

ye dont bring the hatchets to a wake in the midlands?

Irish Travellers

The ones in the top right and left corners look like padsaws to me. Probably could be deadly weapons in the right hands, but still they often snap when you try fucking up a drywall with them!

xxp only if it’s family

its been hinted that my maternal grandmothers ppl had a traveller name for their locality

ill remember it in a minute

but tbh wouldnt at all surprise me, wild isnt fuckin in it

that said, fuck all difference twixt yr stereotypical traveller and the avg fella from their stretch of the island too, which in all seriousness does give one thought to how a smart kid can get out of one situation but hardly ever the other.

Co.Leitrim (2 entries)

Informants in this smallest of counties treat it as part of a larger (northwestern) region.

1. [location in Co. Leitrim unclear]

McDonagh Leitrim, Longford, Roscommon

McCawley [sic] Leitrim, Longford, Roscommon

McGinley recent arrivals

“The first two families move about through Leitrim, Longford and Roscommon. I have not heard of McGnleys until recently.”

2. Coillte Clochair

Ward intermarried, & travel, with McDonaghs

McDonagh intermarried, & travel, with Wards

Crumlish confined to Donegal. “often live in houses for considerable periods – especially around Ballyshannon.”

Cawley

Coyle

Stokes Roscommon

“The Ward and McDonagh clan [sic singular] have intermarried and to a great extent travel together. They travel large areas of Donegal, Tyrone, Fermanagh, Leitrim, Cavan, Sligo and Mayo.” [= the whole northwest quarter of the island]

: “Strange to say I do not know of any tinker who can speak Irish fluently.”

notes that Traveller presence in the locality predates the first road (1846) because an old thorn tree at their camping spot on the pre-road route is known as “beggars’ bush”.

Counties Leitrim and Sligo

This single entry covers two counties

McDonagh Galway; horse trading

Maughan (Mohan) West. intermarried with McDonaghs. tinsmiths.

Ward Donegal. wire workers. intermarried with Mulrooneys.

MacMurrough ragmen. also known as the Casógs, Old Coats

Sommers

Caulderbanks

Coyle

Crumlish

Delaney Wexford. musicians (pipers)

Mulrooney intermarried with Wards

Riley

Doherty [not listed but mentioned in passing]

All come and go through the northwest.

All are more differentiated by TRADES than by geography.

“Most of the older McDonaghs Wards and Dohertys can and do speak Irish among themselves or when so addressed.” It would be interesting to know more about the informant, especially his own familiarity with Irish, as only one other entry makes such a claim and so many others (including the very next entry) specifically note Travellers’ inability to speak this language.

Co.Roscommon (1 entry)

Ballihadreen

Ward principal local group

McDonagh less frequent but fairly common

Sweeney less frequent but fairly common

“No local tinker knows Irish.”

interesting

That thread is how I found out Dublin bus scrapped the 10. I hope you’re very happy with yourself, deems.

a vicarious route eh

The only video from the latest royal visit worth acknowledging

Came to see the royals. Stayed to pat the dog #RoyalVisitIreland pic.twitter.com/iVof4pOoiS

— 𝗛𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗮𝗵 𝗠𝘂𝗿𝗽𝗵𝘆🎙 (@Hanelizaa) March 3, 2020

i live back the garden from the lads and see them at least once a month, this is what privilege looks like imo

go to hell samantha and take your bloody sister with you pic.twitter.com/jolLOdNZgt

— Son of the Hound (@sonofhound) March 5, 2020

The thread of this lad’s comments is class.

Am I wrong to consider this modern storytelling/yarn spinning? It’s a bit cruder than my nana would have done but it’s the same concept.

Now I'm reading it in a rising and falling pitch :/

isnt this a version of the reddit guy whose stories ended with his dad beating him with a hose

It is and it isn’t

i have you

Now I'm reading it in a rising and falling pitch :/

hey im pretty sure that irish lurkers have shoen their disapproval of me in like fuckin sandwich queues let alone knowing what dept i work in

Ah no, I barely know anyone from Meath - home schooled from 8 and then off to Trinity at 13. I mean, I did end up knowing a few folks from Kells there, but they're all about four years older than me, where if I remember right, you're in the other direction (though there's always family).

That’s what I’m afraid of!

I feel, weirdly, deems and I might have the closest irl connection, and I’ve spent time on his island (I doubt he’s ever been to my bit of the country and, Clonmacnoise aside, I don’t blame him lol).

i bin everywhere

but i admit curiosity to this mysterious possible connection

also, nakh has been to ach1ll which is one of those v curious things

Is it?

I spent a week there during TY and it remains one of my best school experiences.

Did I not webmail you about this before? Ah, the moment’s passed.

let it die, for the best

I could post this in any number of threads but this is a good breakdown of the issues with citizens’ assemblies by good Irish twitter user/writer Mr_considerate. (His real name is there but idk if he wants them linked!)

Since I am here by myself and have some lunch time left, the other pressing issue of the day (LBI!)

Accentmonkey of ILX used to live in Meath.

???

I was in Meath at the end of last year, had a v nice time pottering about historical sites and drinking the good guinness in a tiny cottage pub that looked like it'd barely changed in 50 years

Did you go to Newgrange? I went there as a child but my only abiding memory is my dad getting sick outside. Would love to do winter solstice but imagine it’s incredibly difficult.

Not this time but I also went as a child and was v struck by it

thanks Gyac! So it's Garro-idg vs Ga-rode then :D

(Accentmonkey is an ilx-user of yore)

Do love there can be so many different variations, even within the same language, because of dialect and regional variaties.

You should go to Clonmacnoise next time you’re in the Midlands, it’s a beautiful site, and it makes an appearance in Heaney:

The annals say: when the monks of Clonmacnoise
Were all at prayers inside the oratory
A ship appeared above them in the air.

The anchor dragged along behind so deep
It hooked itself into the altar rails
And then, as the big hull rocked to a standstill,

A crewman shinned and grappled down the rope
And struggled to release it. But in vain.
‘This man can’t bear our life here and will drown,’

The abbot said, ‘unless we help him.’ So
They did, the freed ship sailed, and the man climbed back
Out of the marvellous as he had known it.

Do love there can be so many different variations, even within the same language, because of dialect and regional variaties.

― Le Bateau Ivre, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:36 (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

dont defer at all g, we have a great thread somewhere that does indeed go into the sheer variance and regionality of our many accents

said it manys the time, theres seven accents on the island and traceable if i may be allowed to imagine without any evidence other than my own fancy back to the seven different maisteairi of the different parishes back when everyones grandparents were learning proper enguleesh

Well my Irish teachers were always telling us how Leinster is a desert for Irish (true) although we did spend time in a Gaeltacht in Meath(!) and I will never forget my oral examiner telling me our school was “much better than the Dublin girls, with their ‘O mo Dhia’”. Yeah, it was my worst subject but I love the language itself, but we didn’t have the best teachers at LC.

deems do you say Fine Gale or Fine Gwale?

not answering until you tell me how u pronounce fine

non-irish: observe. this is how we behave among our own.

Yeah, it was my worst subject but I love the language itself, but we didn’t have the best teachers at LC.

― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:01 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

can't speak it, but i know it to me bones as a true son of the boggy gaeltacht, so i can read it without hesitation as to accent.

basically i can read in sean-nós.

but as i think ive said manys the time here, despite being a bit of a grouch re the movements to boost the language (primarily on the twin fronts of the lecturing tone as to why one "should" know it as well as the wrongheaded approach to how to go about it) i regret not learning it to conversational level and promise myself most years to get working on it. its a beautiful language.

finn-eh

I say FYE-nance not Finn-ance RTÉ style if that’s where this was going

Accentmonkey is neither former Meath nor former ILX!

I would have thought someone in your employment needed to have it, or did the blueshirts send that the way of compulsory history to junior cert?

yeah you do hear it both ways, i find that people either say

finneh guwayel

or

fine gale (nice wind you got there)

hmm...if i ran at it without thinking id probably sound it as finna gyael meself.

no right way obv