also, rather than a poll with a final rollout, what might be better if workable would be a mutable, ever-changing tabulation of our aggregated top 50s, which we could go back to and change at any time. is there some sort of data aggregation service which could serve such a purpose?
― imago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
but yeah a poll is easier haha
― imago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link
I suggest we all submit detailed ballots and blurbs, and then Eric just chooses the noms he likes best and reassigns the blurbs to totally different movies
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
Letterboxd API is in private beta but once it’s public an easy way to do a perpetual poll would be to have people make ranked lists and then scrape and tabulate those lists. Takes care of data quality issues.
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
A perpetual ranking would deflate the moment I think.If we want to avoid ties, weighting and longer ballots pretty essential given how few people will be voting compared with S&S
― Alba, Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
Somebody explain weighted ballots to me; I've carefully avoided all polls that had them up to now.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, 27 February 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
Unless that just means ranked ballots like most ILM ballot polls are.
― Miami weisse (WmC), Thursday, 27 February 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
Yeah that's it
― imago, Thursday, 27 February 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link
eliminating all cinema before 1960 or 1970 seems to be a thing; not cool, if it mattered
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, February 27, 2020 6:59 AM (six hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Whatever, my real list is above, starting with Bad Timing and ending with Domestic Violence.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:35 (four years ago) link
they say he lived as he listed
― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Thursday, 27 February 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
tough to pick, skewing a bit more subjective than objective in some cases. Not in order:
Black NarcissusRepo ManLight SleeperKiss Me DeadlyTwo Lane BlacktopFallen AngelsMemories of MurderTaxi DriverOnce Upon a Time In the WestSherlock Jr.
― omar little, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link
there are several dozen other films i could switch out but i like to rep for a few underrepped
― omar little, Thursday, 27 February 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
hell yeah, Two Lane Blacktop is probably my favorite movie ever, but didn't make my list cause I arbitrarily limited it to title characters for some reason.
― Judi Dench's Human Hand (methanietanner), Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:30 (four years ago) link
arbitrary limitations are great, we should all have them
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:37 (four years ago) link
what are the ten greatest films of all time released in prime-numbered years
at some point I'll make a ballot of the ten greatest films I haven't seen
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 27 February 2020 22:38 (four years ago) link
One of my favourite lists of this kind was the one Greil Marcus drew up for the second Top 200 Albums book compiled by Paul Gambaccini. It was all ground-level UK punk: the Adverts, X-Ray Spex, Wire, etc. I think the earliest thing he listed in terms of when it was recorded was a Buzzcocks bootleg from 1977. It was almost as if he didn't feel the need to assure everyone he'd heard Blonde on Blonde. (His list for the first Gambaccini book in '78 was much more in line with the conventional canon, although that first Gambaccini book was one of the things--along with the RS Record Guide and Christgau's '70s book--that helped create that canon, so that's something of a circular statement.)
― clemenza, Friday, 28 February 2020 03:26 (four years ago) link
(The second book came out in 1987.)
yeah, that's one of my favorite all-time top 10 lists also (similar, i think, to the list of the best punk records he gives in the prologue of lipstick traces). someone asked him about the list on his website and he said his personal favorite was when he'd just answered the question by listing 10 jan and dean records.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Friday, 28 February 2020 03:54 (four years ago) link
Come and See (Klimov)
I just watched a trailer and this is going to ruin me.
I rented this last night. Incredible, I don't know why I'd never heard of it before.
― jmm, Friday, 28 February 2020 16:15 (four years ago) link
I had no idea it existed until I started seeing it parked very high in every other all-time films list from the past like five years.
― Expart of Languidge (Old Lunch), Friday, 28 February 2020 16:19 (four years ago) link
TCM aired it about a month ago, but I wussed out and didn't record it.
― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Friday, 28 February 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link
Come and See may be the only film Truffaut would consider anti-war.
― Save us, Covid19 (Sanpaku), Friday, 28 February 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link
It's also coming from Criterion later this year.
― Chris L, Friday, 28 February 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link
I will watch it one day. Its just one of those that I have to psych myself up for.
― Maria Edgelord (cryptosicko), Friday, 28 February 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link
Yeah, it's the epitome of "great movie I hope I never see again."
― Chris L, Friday, 28 February 2020 19:59 (four years ago) link
it's really better to watch it with a supportive friend.
― Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Friday, 28 February 2020 22:12 (four years ago) link
I can't believe I failed to put Distant Voices, Still Lives on my list.
― Good taste, bit Victorian but who isn't? (jed_), Friday, 28 February 2020 23:23 (four years ago) link
Please distract from coronavirus, Biden-Sanders, and the market crash by launching this.
― clemenza, Thursday, 5 March 2020 21:55 (four years ago) link
If I opened this poll this early, I'd have to leave it open for at least a year and offer people the opportunity to change their ballots throughout.
― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link
no more polls, ever
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link
If filmism is the movie equivalent of rockism, I'd say there's a lot of filmism in this thread about list-making and canon.
― Le Bateau Ivre, Thursday, 27 February 2020 bookmarkflaglink
I don't think the canon in cinema operates in the same way as in music at all. You never see it weighing down current efforts in the way it is with certain types of music or in criticism, which is one of the issues with rockism (?)
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 March 2020 15:29 (four years ago) link
i would say canon in cinema gives ppl the wrong idea of what constitutes real cinema and what constitutes a bad movie, which is v similar to how the music canon gives people the wrong idea of what constitutes real music and what constitutes bad music
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:41 (four years ago) link
I don't really want to unpack that.
― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
Do you mean seeing, say, Rear Window or a Sturges film beside a Tarkovsky or Bresson? xpost
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:54 (four years ago) link
idk i didn't put a lot of thought into that post beyond "when i look at a letterboxd page of a trashy movie i enjoyed i mostly see unthinking one star reviews"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
just tryin to stay out of the politics threads folks
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2020 15:58 (four years ago) link
Maybe the situation has gotten more like music since Marvel films, but I always quite impressed (despite all the pre- and post- Star Wars/Spielberg whatever) at how convivial the discourse was between a lot of Hollywood output and arthouse. At least in the UK.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 6 March 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
i think the solidification of a canon in film is a bit more understandable just in terms of the amount of time people have to watch films vs the amount of time they can listen to music, and how much more music is widely available vs the availability of films. i think for some people films are more accessible now, and for others maybe less so. less access to rental stores, for one, and despite streaming options i think a lot of films just get lost in the shuffle of algorithms.
― omar little, Friday, 6 March 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link
On topic:
Paul Thomas Anderson’s Favorite Films. pic.twitter.com/0NtSf9FCAG— Films to Films (@FilmstoFilms_) March 5, 2020
― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:44 (four years ago) link
Weird punctuation.
― college bong rip guy (silby), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
big daddy
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
Weird alphabetization too.
― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link
He's cheating there with those Jenkins rankings.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
He was having a ball in 2017.
― jmm, Friday, 6 March 2020 16:51 (four years ago) link
Confirming what I already knew from decades' worth of S&S directors' polls. Directors may know how to make movies, but they have no idea how to make lists.
― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:51 (four years ago) link
I revisited House of Games recently. It's.....fine.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
Making lists is an art form
― college bong rip guy (silby), Friday, 6 March 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
That's the basic premise of this thread, yup.
― crusty but malignant (Eric H.), Friday, 6 March 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link
He put his own movie on there?
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 March 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link