Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

Being a woman is sadly a very big one. I've spent a night texting for Warren, and only encountered one woman who wouldn't vote for another woman on electability concerns, but other volunteers have lamented this is disappointingly common.

Ah well, maybe we'll enter the 21st century before I die.

I get super aggravated by people who live their lives waiting for the next chance or believing the next one will be better and that there is always more time. People need to do the things they want now. I fully believe the US will never in my lifetime elect a woman as president but fuck it if I am going to shoot myself in the dick when they're ringing my bell to deliver what I ordered. And people may feel the same about Bernie. I did last election. I've run across a lot of women (young, they do crossfit!) unwilling to vote for another woman because they are a woman. It's mindbending.

The PPP is an efficient article, because you hit "As her campaign started to fade, she seems to have brought in consultants that told her she could turn things around by adopting the boutique idiom of the academic and nonprofit world in which you interrupt every sentence with canned phrases about centering, voices, and recognition." in only the second paragraph, and then you can close the tab and get on with your life.

Totally, and Warren of all the candidates is the biggest victim of the “I love her but electability yada yada “ syndrome.

i think that would be sanders.

― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Thursday, February 27, 2020 1:26 AM (seven hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the current primary votes would seem to be evidence against this

Yeah Karl, I think people worried about Bernie's electability are mostly worried he'll lose then general.

Seems like rn the people shying away from Warren are doing so because they fear she won't win the primary. And they want their vote to count _now_ as opposed to later. I think? I dunno , just saying what I am seeing among social media connections.

Pretty much everyone I know would be fine with either.

There is a "must! Stop! Bernie!" contingent, which purports to do so for electability reasons, but it wants like. Biden/Pete/Bloomps kid of sage candidate. Warren supporters are generally cool with Bernie, as am I.

Sage? "Safe." Meant disparagingly. On tiny phone, can't type today

idk it just sucks the primaries are set up this way rather than doing a ranked choice sort of thing. I like Warren a lot too, I'd rather she be president than Sanders, but I like Sanders too and I feel like not voting for him is helping the malarkey crew. and I do think Sanders would be more likely to win the general.

Elizabeth Warren is polling strong among late 30s/early 40s male film bloggers.

— Will Sloan, the 6ix Dad (@WillSloanEsq) February 26, 2020

hard pass on her bcz of this stuff

This isn't attributable to economic worldview: Sanders is an instinctive skeptic of American power. Warren is an instinctive believer. https://t.co/RW90v3uiBk https://t.co/fa3ivLySl4

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) February 27, 2020

Agree that "electability" concerns hurt Warren more than Sanders, at least in the primary. Sanders has a lot of true believers who will vote for him no matter what. Warren has a lot of people who think she would be the best president but also follow political media and are anxious about what other people think.

Sanders' most fervent believers are also anxious about what other people think, though.

xxp Thanks for the Pareene link, Morbs.

Foreign policy is the crucial distinction for me, and why in the end I do prefer Sanders.

@Alfred: In different ways, I suppose.

Pareene's right, and I prefer Sanders' foreign policy to Warren's, but I'm not sure "going outside Dem foreign pol establishment" will translate into "effective management of foreign policy." I don't want Carter-level (and uh Trump level) executive branch dysfunction because he filled the State Department and NSC with cronies and inexperienced people. If he's his own man, maybe it'll work.

I've yet to see a synthesis of what I think are Warren's better instincts for executive branch management and Sanders' consistent opposition to the mistakes of American foreign intervention.

Biden lining up base of gypsies, tramps, thieves

Joe’s a Good Man,a Tested Man,
a Kind Man,a Gentleman,a Loyal American,& He’s Been a Congressman,Senator,
President Obama’s First Choice For VICE PRES,& a Trusted
Friend.He Has Experience No Other Candidate Has.He’s
Not Flashy,& Won’t Cause Constant Chaos.I’M FED UP
WITH CHAOS pic.twitter.com/C1kHo6PCeE

— Cher (@cher) February 26, 2020

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html

what the hell

Agree that "electability" concerns hurt Warren more than Sanders, at least in the primary. Sanders has a lot of true believers who will vote for him no matter what. Warren has a lot of people who think she would be the best president but also follow political media and are anxious about what other people think.

― jaymc, Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:24 AM (thirty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Sanders' most fervent believers are also anxious about what other people think, though.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:25 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago)

yes. also, i think Sanders can be damaged by electability concerns (in the primary) while still having the most supporters.

xp

case in point, look at mh's link

Alfred addressed in Bernie thread

another NYT nothingburger

lol PeteyTrump

https://theweek.com/speedreads/898344/trump-confusingly-tweets-live-buttigieg-president

President Trump.....welcome to the resistance

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/27/poll-joe-biden-big-lead-south-carolina-117839

The poll, released two days before the crucial first-in-the-South primary, shows Biden with an advantage of 20 percentage points over Sanders, 36 percent to 16 percent.

"Obama's first choice for vice president"

imagine winning nomination and having to settle for your second choice for VP??? this seems like such a weird thing to say???

"hey u wanna be my vp? i was gonna pick this other guy but he said he was busy those 4-8 years"

Looks like I can no longer rely on the level-headed political analysis of Cher.

I'm just glad even a Biden blowout in SC would likely be too little too late to make much of a (any?) difference on 03/03

imagine winning nomination and having to settle for your second choice for VP??? this seems like such a weird thing to say???

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDWId87-8r8

WOW REALLY?

haha why did he say no

to be clear McCain was Kerrey's first choice, not Bush's

When I tell you this sent me FLAT on the floor pic.twitter.com/lGzLpd75fS

— marv 🗽 (@mrvndn) February 27, 2020

Warren was pretty good on Colbert last night

Watch Warren name the billionaire. Best thing you’ll see all day!

pic.twitter.com/Qczh3TOT2i

— Kimberley Johnson (@AuthorKimberley) February 27, 2020

But did you see Warren on Colbert?

Warren on Colbert ROTFL

That moment when Chris Christie sets the record straight when Stephen Colbert’s alleges that Warren “talks about all the same ideas” that Sanders talks about. Christie says, “No she doesn’t...she used to...then she backed off of it...”
pic.twitter.com/rao3KBFyqe

— Fiorella Isabel🌹 (@Fiorella_im) February 27, 2020

both of these dudes show motivated thinking as do all the bernie bros snoopy-dancing over christie comment

I think both Sanders's and Warren's statements on India are good, fwiw, and more than anything I'm hearing from anyone here.

I guess Warren's statements usual include something like "While..." which people who want 100% MORAL CLARITY get angry about

I'm pretty damn vocal about India and the current Modi regime irl, but haven't really felt confident in bringing that to ilx

one of my coworkers is near Hyderabad right now to attend a handful of weddings and I'm interested in talking to him when he gets back

apparently a lot of the phone calls he's been getting over the last few months have been his dad hollering about Indian politics

oh for fuck's sake

I'm listening to an audiobook on Librivox and Bloomberg commercials in Spanish are popping up between chapters

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/27/us/politics/democratic-superdelegates.html

what the hell

― mh, Thursday, February 27, 2020 9:57 AM (one hour ago)

LOL was just coming here to post that joy.

Superdelegates are dreaming about a savior at the convention. Some white knights they proposed:

Sherrod Brown
Michelle Obama
Kamala Harris
Mark Warner
Chris Coons (!)https://t.co/iGHcPTGmOJ

— Reid J. Epstein (@reidepstein) February 27, 2020

"white nights" maybe not the apt phrase

*knights

We'll probably end up with Paul Ryan as the nominee

c'mon now, slow yr roll
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nationalmemo.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F07%2FPaulRyanWorkout.jpg&f=1&nofb=1

Ned Croos

Both tweets were fine. I give the slight edge to Sanders because he mentioned Muslims.

I'm just glad even a Biden blowout in SC would likely be too little too late to make much of a (any?) difference on 03/03

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, February 27, 2020 11:29 AM (fifty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Wish I shared your optimism here

Hold up, how did I miss that the members of TLC apparently endorsed Tom Steyer?! I'm calling it now.

New poll has Biden up 28 pts in SC and sweeping all delegates

xp apparently, they approve of some scrubs

"Obama's first choice for vice president"

imagine winning nomination and having to settle for your second choice for VP??? this seems like such a weird thing to say???

"hey u wanna be my vp? i was gonna pick this other guy but he said he was busy those 4-8 years"

― Campaign to move el0n mu5k thread to ILM (Will M.), Thursday, February 27, 2020 10:24 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

David Plouffe: "Later that night, we held a conference call with Obama to brief him on our day. 'Well, it sounds like you both are for Biden, but barely,' he said. 'I really haven't settled this yet in my own mind. It's a coin toss now between Bayh and Biden, but Kaine is still a distinct possibility."