Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

we've seen what happens in situations where we were prepared (y2k computer issues, etc) and what happens when we've failed to keep on our toes (9/11 intelligence being left in a folder, catastrophic failure of infrastructure and support systems during multiple hurricanes) and the response seems to be that people don't give a shit unless their lives are personally affected

people are incredibly bad at risk/reward calculations, and if they didn't succumb to a risk, they assume they're not reaping any benefits -- because the benefit is that your life continues on

imo you could argue that humanity is even worse off when the worst does happen. our government tortured people in search of facts that simply didn't exist in order to solicit confessions implicating collaborators and future planned attacks, when those were pure fictions

you can't waterboard people until you've undone 9/11, but that's exactly what was going on. you can't undo a catastrophic event with future actions

preparing for the worst in this case would actually all be beneficial. bitches should be washing hands more anyway.

yeah I mean wash your hands and don't go to China

bad reason to buy vodka though.

I've been looking for an excuse to start bodyslamming douchebags who leave the restroom without washing their hands, and I think I've finally found one.

(NB, I will not be bodyslamming anyone anywhere but in my mind, but still)

... when there are so many other better reasons to buy vodka you can choose from.

Just choke down some Purell, it has a multitude of uses.

imo every major urban center should be running drills at the very least annually where they pop up temporary expanded facilities, run through quarantine protocol, make sure communication lines to the CDC are dedicated and proofed against disruption by natural or intentional factors, and have a full set of mock patients come through

bodyslamming douchebags who leave the restroom without washing their hands

can we also do this to anyone who uses a hand dryer?

Has the USA experienced widespread urban quarantines since the 1919 flu epidemic? I'm not aware of any. The necessary 'public health and safety' laws are still on the books, though.

most restrooms in NYC have only hand dryers, i think?

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/us/politics/pete-buttigieg-amy-klobuchar-debate.html

“I wish everyone was as perfect as you, Pete."

man, political reporting is so depressing to read. Fuck these people.

here's a lol

When your consultants watched a lot of game footage pic.twitter.com/Gf5ZkkNe0Z

— Sawyer Hackett (@SawyerHackett) February 25, 2020

At work, we have hand sanitizer dispensers on the walls, so I tend to use those instead of washing my hands after a pee, IF nobody is around. If someone else is in the bathroom I do a cursory hand wash, and then use the purell anyway. Do you know why? Touching my genitalia isn’t the dirty part. It’s touching the door handle

Yeah I pull the door open with my genitalia to avoid getting my hands germy

Touching my genitalia isn’t the dirty part. It’s touching the door handle

otm. where there are paper towels (s.o.p. in medical faciltites) the trick is to use the damp paper towel to open the door, then toss it in the waste can as you exit.

proper hand washing is a more effective antiviral than sanitizer gel

the best bathrooms have doors that open outwards so you can just use your feet to open the door on the way out

most restrooms in NYC have only hand dryers, i think?

but really I just light my Bernie Sanders votive candle to ward off sickness

i wash my genitalia after touching it with my hands

Always good to give it a quick rub down

proper hand washing is a more effective antiviral than sanitizer gel

when proper hand washing requires me to make contact with a ton of skanky fomites, I’ll take my chances with the expensive alcohol gel

ideally you apply the sanitizer to your hands and penis, then wash hands, then open door, then use hand sanitizer station directly outside the door

proper hand washing is a more effective antiviral than sanitizer gel

This is misleading, because "proper hand washing" means something like two minutes of sudsing and scrubbing up to your elbows, and no one does that. There was an interesting New Yorker article about Purell (and the like) several years back:

Gojo has never marketed Purell as an anti-soap; indeed, the company also sells some of the most widely used soaps in health care, food service, and other industries. But, starting in the nineteen-nineties, a number of studies demonstrated that alcohol hand rubs could be more effective than ordinary washing. In 2002, the C.D.C., after reviewing the accumulating science, rewrote its “Guideline for Hand Hygiene in Health-Care Settings.” The C.D.C.’s report concluded that alcohol-based products were “more effective for standard handwashing or hand antisepsis . . . than soap or antimicrobial soaps,” and that alcohol-based products were better at killing drug-resistant pathogens than even soaps and detergents containing powerful antibacterial agents. Seven years later, the World Health Organization issued similar guidelines, and said that alcohol rubs should now be considered the preferred cleaning agent for all medical workers, including surgeons, whose hands are not visibly soiled.

In 2005, the Army, in conjunction with Gojo, conducted a study of the efficacy of Purell outside health care. (The military is a rich source of subjects for such studies, because it consists of large cohorts of closely matched individuals who do what they’re told.) Historically, illness and infection have felled more soldiers than weapons have. The Army had already imposed a stringent hygiene protocol for new recruits, but illness-related absenteeism during boot camp remained high and was costly. Arbogast, who worked on the study, told me that the Army “didn’t want soldiers to get partway through the training and then get knocked out due to illness.” Gojo installed Purell wall dispensers in mess halls and other strategic locations, and designed a bottle that would fit in a uniform pocket, survive a parachute jump, blend in with camouflage, and not stand out when viewed with a night-vision scope. (It looks like a small green hand grenade.) After thirteen weeks, the Army found that two test battalions had experienced forty per cent less respiratory illness than the control group, forty-eight per cent less gastrointestinal illness, and forty-four per cent less lost training time. The military is now a significant Gojo customer. Michael Dolan, who is the company’s vice-president for science and technology, said, “It’s hard to go through boot camp today without being exposed to Purell.”

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2013/03/04/hands-across-america

Yeah that article is the primary inspiration of our household antimicrobial doctrine

Brb, looking for a reason to use "boy who cried Wolf Blitzer" in conversation somehow

yeah 'proper hand washing' that's how i want to spend a half hour of all my remaining days

you people who kiss another human on a regular basis are missing the forest for the trees

we do a lot more than kiss another human.

I kiss people after I’ve been drinking alcohol

maybe ass eating will fall out of millennial fashion for awhile.

this is the future conservatives want

my understanding is the mouth is filthier than the gentle parts

alcoholism vs coronavirus... kinda like every presidential election

they say some people got a case of the 'sac'lys.

yo bref smells sac'ly like yo behind

the tongue and gums are generally the site of pitched battles between sieging bacteria and the most robust defenses the body has to offer, yes

whatever, I work at a university and students are disgusting animals who presumably are all eating ass now(?), so I do indeed spend a lot of time washing my hands thoroughly

do they put their mouths on their desks a lot?

they fucking fall asleep everywhere and drool all over the place, I am kidding they are basically toddlers

I am NOT kidding

I'm more worried about getting them to vote than wash their hands

stop tossin' salad
start studyin' ballots!

It's just a bunch of Sexual Revolution-era pieces he wrote in alt papers in the early 70s. Imho a nothingburger but who knows what will play with the American public:

https://www.vox.com/2015/5/28/8682503/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/07/bernie-sanders-vermont-freeman-sexual-freedom-fluoride/

Rereading that 'rape essay' now, it is clearly a feminist commentary on gender roles. This is so stupid.

Finally -- the thread turns into animal ass-eating and hand washing.

It was inevitable.

final stage of grief iirc

as long as i have a mouth
you'll always have a place to sit