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Oh, I don't mind "Jay" so much online (since it is, after all, a contraction of my screen name) -- just in real life. I like "J.," though, because it hints at intimacy (I know your name is John) but doesn't want to be presumptuous.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:08 (twenty years ago)

This Chris (a/k/a Casuistry, from Portland, Ore.) is different from that other Chris (a/k/a Dale, Cprek, etc., from Lexington, Ky.). Both are male.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:09 (twenty years ago)

Jeez, and just an hour ago, I wrote up a Guide to Ethan Padgett Pseudonyms on the Stylus staff board.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Jeff is my third Jeff.

And FINAL Jeff.

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

Also - put on your critical thinking caps, Chi-ILXors, and tell me what is wrong with this link:

http://www.volgagirl.com/2006wd/russian_brides_womensday2006.html

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:10 (twenty years ago)

I am, however, maler.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

xpost - It's this one dude in particular that bugs me. He says "Hi Amanda" in exactly the same borderline-lascivious way every day and it just gives me the oogies. He's got this pasted-on smile and a blank stare. It also seems like a very salesman-y thing to do, to assert that you remembered the person's name. Again, I know I'm being dumb in rebelling against this. Still, though.

http://i2.tinypic.com/qnwfme.jpg

The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:11 (twenty years ago)

Also - put on your critical thinking caps, Chi-ILXors, and tell me what is wrong with this link:

"western-oriented man" should probably be "Western-oriented man"?

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:12 (twenty years ago)

The sad thing is that there is possibly nothing at all wrong with that link.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Using Women's Day to celebrate mail-order brides?

The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:13 (twenty years ago)

Oh, right. That.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

ahahaha

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

Attendance at this dinner will have the anticipated effect to boost the confidence and morale of those involved, directly benefiting those men who are corresponding with them.

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:14 (twenty years ago)

And then, at the bottom:

No longer an exclusively socialist holiday, International Women's Day is now a time to rally support for women's rights around the world, commemorate the progress we've made, and honor the efforts of individual women who have helped bring about greater equality for all.

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:15 (twenty years ago)

BY SELLING RUSSIAN WOMEN TO WESTERN-ORIENTED MEN.

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

If becoming a mail-order bride really is a more "pro-woman" step up from their current situation, then maybe! But I don't know enough about the situation to say. A friend of mine (or, a friend of a friend of mine) was doing her PhD dissertation on this sort of thing, and, well, apparently she found it a litle upsetting at times. So to speak.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:16 (twenty years ago)

occidentally-oriented

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:18 (twenty years ago)

Accident-prone.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

But, see, I didn't KNOW Jaymc's "real" name was John until well after I'd formed a mental image. I cannot be held responsible for my mental images.

Laurel (Laurel), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

xp, yes exactly, amanda!

i have that annoyance at people who use your name a lot. i have a neighbor who has stopped by a couple of times, who i really just met. he immediately wanted to call me by a nickname, which i nixed. i go by 'julia', 'julie', or 'jules', (or JA, come to think of it), and isn't that enough?

and then he would pepper his conversation with my name, which is just all schmoozey and salesmanlike. it's one of those things they tell salespeople, isn't it--that you should use a person's name a lot to make them feel important or something?

i like being addressed by my name, but not when it seems all artificial and smarmy like that.

Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:19 (twenty years ago)

"Mail-order bride" is more often than not a nice way to say "sex slave" or "domestic abuse victim." And mail-order bride brokers are more like human traffickers than, say, match.com-type services.

And no, being marketed, packaged, sold, and shipped like so much exotic Beluga cavier is not a more "pro-woman" step from their current situation, which may not be as great as say, my US current situation.

Ask yourself - what is a man who seeks a Russian mail-order bride really looking for in a mate?

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:20 (twenty years ago)

Dumplings?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

Sorry, I will tone down the fiery feminist rhetoric (not that I think opposition to human trafficking is really all that controversial a stance, but I recognize that's kind of a heavy topic for a Friday afternoon).

occidentally-oriented/accident-prone = LOL

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:21 (twenty years ago)

http://www.hot.ee/iljaaa/PICS/pelmeni.jpg

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:22 (twenty years ago)

The same thing that my classmate sought in his "data collection" from Thai prostitutes, I would imagine.

The Milkmaid (82375538-A) (The Milkmaid), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:22 (twenty years ago)

EVERY DAY IS WOMANS DAY

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

SINCE THEY GOT THE VOTE

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

I DRANK COFFEE

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:23 (twenty years ago)

O RLY

Juulia (julesbdules), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:24 (twenty years ago)

EVERY DAY IS WOMANS DAY

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

WHEN IS IT MANS DAY?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:25 (twenty years ago)

GO GET ME SOME COFFEE, SUGAR BRITCHES.

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

SOUNDS LIKE SOMEBODY'S GOT A CASE OF THE MANS DAYS

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:26 (twenty years ago)

THAT IS TRUE. I ALWAYS HAVE A CASE OF THE MANS DAYS.

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:28 (twenty years ago)

ROCKIN OUT TO DON CAB

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:29 (twenty years ago)

And no, being marketed, packaged, sold, and shipped like so much exotic Beluga cavier is not a more "pro-woman" step from their current situation, which may not be as great as say, my US current situation.

I totally (and obviously) agree with you about what happens to them after they get sold and married and all that. But I don't actually know about what their current, pre-marriage situation is. My question boils down to: Why do these women do this? And I realize they might not have much of a choice in the matter. But then I think, surely a horribly abusive situation in the U.S. offers more of a chance of escape than a horribly abusive situation in Russia?

Or do they never end up getting married off, and are just trotted out as escorts to desparate and horny Westerners? That could be the worst case scenario.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

(xp) THEY ARE A MATH ROCK BAND. GIRLS CAN'T DO MATH.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

Oh, I mean:

JUST ANOTHER MANIC MANDAY.

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:30 (twenty years ago)

GIRLS CAN'T DANCE TO MUSIC THAT YOU CAN'T DANCE TO

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

AND THEY DON'T LIKE THAT

BECAUSE THEY ARE GIRLS

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:32 (twenty years ago)

THE GIRLS LIKE TO BE WITH THE GIRLS

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Hey who wants to do something cheap 2 nite?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

Cheap 'n' greasy?

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:34 (twenty years ago)

I would, but I'm afraid I wouldn't be able to respect myself in the morning.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

Do you respect yourself now?

Casuistry (Chris P), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

I'm doing cheap n' greasy tonight - live band karaoke w/beer and pizza!

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:35 (twenty years ago)

I have a feeling that we will check out a movie, watch it, Sarah will fall asleep and then I'll waste a couple of hours watching dumb tv or reading or playing video games. This is not a complaint.

n/a (Nick A.), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:38 (twenty years ago)

Do you respect yourself now?

Not really.

jaymc (jaymc), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:40 (twenty years ago)

Have you finished RE4, Nick?

Jordan (Jordan), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:42 (twenty years ago)

SORRY THIS IS LONG BUT CHRIS ASKED SO HERE IT GOES...

Chris - the women are lied to, kidnapped, sold by their families. And it's generally easier to escape from an abusive relationship in a country where you speak and read the language, have other family or friends, know your way around, and are a legal resident than one in which you have only ever lived as a slave.

Trafficking in Human Beings: From Himalayan villages to Eastern European cities, people – especially women and girls – are attracted by the prospect of a well-paid job as a domestic servant, waitress or factory worker. Traffickers recruit victims through fake advertisements, mail-order bride catalogues and casual acquaintances.

Upon arrival at their destination, victims are placed in conditions controlled by traffickers while they are exploited to earn illicit revenues. Many are physically confined, their travel or identity documents are taken away and they or their families are threatened if they do not cooperate. Women and girls forced to work as prostitutes are blackmailed by the threat that traffickers will tell their families. Trafficked children are dependent on their traffickers for food, shelter and other basic necessities. Traffickers also play on victims’ fears that authorities in a strange country will prosecute or deport them if they ask for help.


Bill To Curtail 'Mail-Order Bride' Abuse Advances in CA: Many women find themselves victims of domestic violence after participating in largely unregulated 'International Marriage Broker' industry matchmaking.

. . .

Nationwide there have been several dozen cases of domestic violence and even murder committed against women who come to the United States as mail order brides. There are at least seven documented cases in California; many more are believed to go unreported. California is believed to have over 70 marriage brokers operating in the state.

Trafficking and sexual exploitation: Girls as young as 13 (mainly from Asia and Eastern Europe) are trafficked as “mail-order brides.” In most cases these girls and women are powerless and isolated and at great risk of violence.

Nutsy the Squirrel (pullapartgirl), Friday, 3 March 2006 21:43 (twenty years ago)


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