Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

counting on younger/new voters to drive turnout has, historically, never worked.

If you exclude 2008, the closest thing we've had to a landslide in this millennium?

If Hillary had minority or youth numbers equal to 2012 Obama (much less 2008), we wouldn't have been talking about Donald Trump since November 2016.

Well, we might have been talking about his hilarious attempt to establish a media network in competition with Fox News.

I don't think those specific voters (young/new voters to be clear) delivered Obama the margin of victory, but yes he had the highest turnout of those groups in years.

Obama didn't have significant chunks of the Dem coalition against him or willing to sit out the election in the general

xps

I submit that most of those currently whinging will be too chickenshit to actually sit it out

also, remember PUMAs?

The last thing you ever want to do is dare an American to do nothing.

lol

can we name the March politics thread "gargle my balls".

Obama didn't have significant chunks of the Dem coalition against him or willing to sit out the election in the general

xps

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this is not true, the 2008 primary was nasty as hell and a lot of hillary supporters sat out/voted for mccain.

here's a fun article from march 2008: https://news.gallup.com/poll/105691/mccain-vs-obama-28-clinton-backers-mccain.aspx

"a lot" yeah ok

if the argument is that Bernie's coalition is going to be as big as (or bigger than) Obama's, I don't think that's being borne out in polls or primary votes. I think the opposition to Bernie from within the party is of a different kind and scale than that faced by Obama.

otoh they weren't as galvanized against a foe they absolutely could not abide.

If they prefer Trump to Sanders that’s their right

According to exit polls on Election Day, 10% of those who identified themselves as Democrats voted for John McCain, approximately the same percentage of Democratic votes that George W. Bush won in 2004

from here: https://web.archive.org/web/20110509200438/http://pewresearch.org/pubs/1023/exit-poll-analysis-2008

Are we expecting 10% of democrat identifiers to go for trump in 2020?

If the #resistance #basta crew doesn’t care to vote for Bernie Sanders in the general I wonder what they were resisting exactly

If Bernie Sanders is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November? could be a relevant poll on here

or we could, y'know, just ask it here

yes. yes i will.

i can't imagine someone here (who is eligible) not.

was the bus driver who said "Gargle my balls" to the ICE agent cute?

If you consider voting for Trump, you were never a Democrat and are in fact a ball-gargling aasshole.

Some dixiecrats who haven't changed affiliation yet?

even if they're still registered or affiliated as democrats, they likely wouldn't "identify" as a democrat if asked by a pollster

Mike Bloomberg poked fun last year at a father and son who died from heroin overdoses at the same Brooklyn party, calling them “not a good family" to laughs from a crowd of business executives, the Daily News has learned.https://t.co/fNWESr4x14

— New York Daily News (@NYDailyNews) February 24, 2020

bring in the super delegates, and cut deals like crazy.

ie prepare to raise money off Orange Dipshit for another term

counting on a raving dumbass who never held office to win had, historically, never worked until 2016

if the argument is that Bernie's coalition is going to be as big as (or bigger than) Obama's, I don't think that's being borne out in polls or primary votes. I think the opposition to Bernie from within the party is of a different kind and scale than that faced by Obama.

The argument is that people spending time worrying about whether Sanders can win should support him like they would any other Dem nominee, not that Sanders supporters need to somehow rethink their support.

When do candidates usually name their running mates? That choice could mitigate a lot of concerns over Sanders. Even if everything about him was as mainstream Dem as it gets, he's still a 78-year old who had a heart attack only a few months ago, and has been cagey with his health records. Given that he would be pushing 90 at the end of a second term, there's probably a good chance his VP could get called up from the bench. Or spend a lot of term one establishing presidential bona fides and run in his place in 2024.

lol @Har Mar Klobuchar. Har Mar is even from Minnesota.

It's usually right before the convention, right?

Trump picked Pence on July 15, the RNC began July 18.
Clinton picked Kaine on July 22, the DNC began July 25.

A longer lead time in 2012, though: Romney picked Ryan on August 11, convention began August 27.

I think it all depends on how long it takes to deliver that particular series of blowjobs.

(inserts Mr. Show sketch here)

ball-gargling iirc

There are the examples of Reagan in 1976 and Ted Cruz in 2016 picking VP candidates during ultimately unsuccessful campaigns for the nomination.

sanders/clinton ticket ftw

I see that you're in favor of painting the White House black.

"has been cagey with his health records" ?

I thought he said he wasn't going to release his health records?

keep them in a cage

He said he wasn't going to piss about responding to every bad-faith call for his health records when he'd already released his health records.

Did he? If he did I stand corrected. If he did, then what is there to ask for?

IIRC from debate:

Buttigieg: Bernie Sanders said he was going to release health records, why hasn't he not?
Sanders: I did, you putz, plus several letters from doctors regarding my health.
Buttigieg: Yes, but why does you not release health records? I am having concerned.

I may not have the wording quite right but I believe that was the gist.

in the future, you'll decide if you want to consider being president at age 5 and be fitted with a sensor package that constantly monitors all your vital signs. the complete set of records will be available to the populace when you announce your candidacy

alternatively, your health insurance provider's fitbit or apple watch device mandated by your policy terms will release the records when you push a button in the app

health records are the new long-form birth certificate

WHY HAVE YOU NOT PROVIDED A MINUTE-BY-MINUTE ACCOUNTING OF YOUR LIFE UP UNTIL THE MOMENT I ASKED THIS QUESTION, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO HIDE

Isn't that what his person said? Compared it to birtherism or some shit? I'm not really paying close attention to this stuff yet, but tbf he literally just had a heart attack. Hell, for all I know they've all had heart attacks, including President Fart Attack.

I haven't watched any of the debates, but would totally watch one if they were all wearing medical masks.

"What is your position on gun control"

"Mmrrffuffufer!"