bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

"but no-one is going to be calling him anti-semitic."

you are wrong there Andrew, but I agree that Corbyn was too lackadaisical and almost blind to the problem of dealing with internal bigots and fools at times.

lol people have definitely tried “the guy who lost loads of family members in the Holocaust is antisemitic”, it’s quite the thing to be both antisemitic and subject to antisemitism.

Yeah, fair enough - he'll get everything on the epithet wheel, but it won't stick.

Tom Gann has a thread on his leadership votes. Even though I made the membership cutoff and have a card and all that, I’m still concerned I won’t get a ballot? We’ll see today I guess.

Sanders has faced criticisms in his policy in regards to Israel. That aside Sanders is nowhere near the anti-imperialist that Corbyn is. 90% of Sanders' policy is on the domestic front and that's the way it should be.

alas, not everyone can be Fred

Idk, I feel like AIPAC saying he’d never been to their conference and actively campaigning against him did him some good on that front? Plus he has family living in Israel, his stance is fine imo.

Sanders comes across as a more of a radical than Corbyn just by virtue of being caught up in the most jingoistically exceptionalist political system of all. Republicans/Dem centrists who emphasize the extent to which m4a supposedly lacks 'mainstream' appeal consistently remind me of a what a bizarro world the US continues to be, even compared to the bullshit now unfolding on this here isle.

Its not about the attacks, its about the response to the attacks. Thats why its a TOH and why beyond a certain point the attacks no longer hurt, they help. Standing up to bullies shows solidity

Sanders is definitely doing a better job on that front than, say, Warren, whose response to the 'Pocahontas' taunts was as wrongheaded as it gets.

Bernie's message is I got this leave it with me, and Warrens is I'll come round your house and show you some documents

What kind of sicko wants to have someone come round their house with a bunch of documents

I dont ask the electric man to show me the cables. I just want to rely on him so I can go to work.

lol some of our fellow ILXors would like to have a word with you.

Sanders ofc isn't part of the Democratic party so in terms of AS he is not exactly responsible in the way that Corbyn might be for ensuring that the AS cranks are being kicked outof the party.

Warren -- if we're going to think of UK pol analogies -- is basically soft-left (Starmer). She has been pulled left by Sanders but will be bogged down under pressure and totally collapse. Never trust, and this is what the left need to keep inside but in the end never let into power.

Also, American political parties are not something you join - it’s self-ID and all funds are donated to candidates, state and federal orgs. I’ve never given them a cent but I get 20 emails a day from various parts because I signed up for Obama and Keith Ellison emails years ago.

anvil otm about some politicians being actually helped by attacks - it builds their brand. trump - like every heel - relies on being hated by the 'right' people. though i wonder if it works more for fascists, whose politics depend on nursing grievances and engendering an atmosphere of constant paranoia.

Deeply amused by Starmer-as-Warren because I’m trying to work out what the equivalent the DNA thing would be over here?

stoya come to the centre - keir starmer is happening

The right are backing Nandy, the Stalinists who destroyed Corbynism are backing RLB - it's a no brainier for an anti-capitalist to vote #KeirForLeader

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) February 24, 2020

should be the kiss of death for the tosser, but the membership are fucking useless.

Deeply amused by Starmer-as-Warren because I’m trying to work out what the equivalent the DNA thing would be over here?

pretending you're a socialist?

I’m thinking of submitting to some kind of Spectator-administered callipers exam on periscope but the reasons escape me. Oh yeah, to confirm he doesn’t have the swivel eyes and fervent brow of the hard left?

Race there is class here - working-class roots until someone from back in the day contradicts it? I'm sure there's something about Jess Phillips in the vast amounts of stuff you all seem to keep in your memory palaces regarding her.

(it might still be Ed Miliband with a bacon sandwich, mind)

Yeah I wouldn’t agree with your first sentence at all

(And the sandwich thing leaned heavily on antisemitism, as did a lot of coverage of Miliband).

Sure, I agree on the sandwich - it wasn't a serious suggestion (I mean, none of this is a serious suggestion, Warren as Starmer is as unserious a claim as I've seen on this thread).

But Race being to the US as Class is to the UK is a pretty solid rule - not an immutable law, but (for example) when things don't make sense to an outsider and they wonder what they're missing, it's nearly always Race in the US, and nearly always Class in the UK.

The US severely underrates Class, whereas the UK is all too often blind to Race (and, might I add, Ethnicity), but that doesn't really contradict your post.

No, I'd agree!

I seriously disagree lol but I will leave it for someone better informed to make that case

semi-related but i was rewatching sex and the city recently and Carrie came out with this absolute cracker of a line:

”As I sifted through the rubble of my marriage skirmish, I had a thought: maybe the fight between marrieds and singles is like the war in Northern Ireland. We’re all basically the same, but somehow we ended up on different sides.”

You think class isn't underrated in the US and that race in the UK is given the attention it deserves? Or am I missing something here?

Deeply amused by Starmer-as-Warren because I’m trying to work out what the equivalent the DNA thing would be over here?

― hyds (gyac), Monday, 24 February 2020 bookmarkflaglink

I wasn't thinking of the DNA shit-show but it's totally a thing in progressive circles to have a candidate that looks like he is pulling in a left direction but you know it's for show, and Warren seems like that.

0_o @ that "Sex in the City" quote.

rly makes u think

Also 'war'.

It’s even more, well, when you consider what Matthew Broderick got up to in Enniskillen in 1987.

(This is why the only film of his I like is Election).

look who among us has not been responsible for the deaths of a woman and her daughter and then gone on to star as inspector gadget

I didn't know he'd been a Provo tbh.

it's a great American tradition is committing vehicular homicide then activating go-gadget peg it legs, go!

*Trying to figure out the language to translate to and back to get Inspector Gadget->Suspect Device*

Also yeah holy shit at that SitC quote.

just refreshing my memory of matthew broderick's adventures in manslaughter because posting about celebrity car crashes in a uk politics thread beats working for a living - i'd forgotten that jennifer grey was with him when it happened, leading to this incredible quote in a people magazine news piece from the time

“It’s a real tragedy,” says a New York friend of Grey. “Jennifer’s movie is opening, and she was finally having her moment.”

Who says this thread doesn’t deliver?

can i in all good conscience recommend the facebook page 'matthew broderick's car accident'?

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yes

Otacon vmic

i'm sure john mann will be outraged at the bbc's political editor tweeting her support for an antisemite

💪❤️ https://t.co/dMf7vuSKyk

— Laura Kuenssberg (@bbclaurak) February 24, 2020

Lol quote tweeting Rachel Reeves as well

masry astor: GIRLBOSS (and nazi)

💪❤️ pic.twitter.com/BOa2alvKJH

— Sam ✌️ (@samisam147) February 24, 2020

Inspirational stuff alright

In her speech, she reflected that “I know that it is very difficult for some to receive the first lady MP into the House”. She once said that male MPs would rather have had a rattlesnake in Parliament than a woman. (2/7) pic.twitter.com/QdwXLHowwI

— Rachel Reeves (@RachelReevesMP) February 24, 2020

Stafford Cripps used to refer to her as our honourable member to Berlin

Pretty sure Paul Mason just delivered a few thousand extra votes to RLB there.

I heard spice is coming back into fashion