Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

you don't need an oppo dump, sanders has policy positions that can't be exploited by his opponents in a democratic primary (where the positions are actually pretty popular) and can be exploited in the general (where they aren't.)

This is C- MSNBC punditry. Everything Republicans believe is unpopular. Most of what moderate Democrats agree to is unpopular.

The Bernie won't accomplish anything line is amazing after decades of talking about the Imperial Presidency.

Quick question...if a pundit/analyst etc gets it wrong for two presidential elections in a row...shouldn't they lose their contracts?

— Yashar Ali 🐘 (@yashar) February 23, 2020

if someone is having a purell pool party, I AM THERE.

Does the President decide that?

― equam phillips (crüt), Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:29 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

nope

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, February 22, 2020 10:30 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

Ok but this is also true of a lot of things in a candidate's platform, including M4A, much of Green New Deal, etc.

despite being opposed to doing anything about the filibuster, sanders does have a planned solution to the problem it poses, which is using the VP's power to include key legislation in budget reconciliation which can be passed with a simple majority. idk why he doesn't just say he's also for removing the filibuster but it's kinda irrelevant because removing the filibuster seems like it would be just as difficult as passing M4A without the reconciliation loophole. i guess unless there's some small group of senators who support removing the filibuster but don't support medicare for all but are fine that removing the filibuster would make it easier to pass on principled grounds or something? idk that seems like an unlikely scenario but all the politics around this sort of procedural stuff can be pretty inscrutable so ???

You can only use reconciliation once a year, so it's not much of a progressive agenda, is it?

despite being opposed to doing anything about the filibuster, sanders does have a planned solution to the problem it poses, which is using the VP's power to include key legislation in budget reconciliation which can be passed with a simple majority. idk why he doesn't just say he's also for removing the filibuster but it's kinda irrelevant because removing the filibuster seems like it would be just as difficult as passing M4A without the reconciliation loophole. i guess unless there's some small group of senators who support removing the filibuster but don't support medicare for all but are fine that removing the filibuster would make it easier to pass on principled grounds or something? idk that seems like an unlikely scenario but all the politics around this sort of procedural stuff can be pretty inscrutable so ???

iatee did you get old

Light the first light of evening, as in a room
In which we rest and, for small reason, think
The world imagined is the ultimate good.

This is, therefore, the intensest rendezvous.
It is in that thought that we collect ourselves,
Out of all the indifferences, into one thing:

Within a single thing, a single shawl
Wrapped tightly round us, since we are poor, a warmth,
A light, a power, the miraculous influence.

Here, now, we forget each other and ourselves.
We feel the obscurity of an order, a whole,
A knowledge, that which arranged the rendezvous.

Within its vital boundary, in the mind.
We say God and the imagination are one...
How high that highest candle lights the dark.

Out of this same light, out of the central mind,
We make a dwelling in the evening air,
In which being there together is enough.

The idea that Sanders will change anything is definitely delusional, but I can't see how it's more delusional than that Trump would do so (for his voters, that is, he has definitely made things worse for the people they hate) or that neoliberalist centrism still works after 2008.

Can't wait for this morning's Meet The Press, which I am confident will feature an exclusive! interview with Amy Klobuchar.

he’s not planning on doing anything

it’ll make for lots of great thought pieces after we lose

Personally, one thing I've discovered is, that as hard as I find it to get really excited about Bernie winning, I looooove to see Bloomberg fall on his face. And all that :)

It's mixed because Warren is right there, but the Sanders victories bring so many good moments.

Idk my parents are cool what’s wrong w your parents

― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Sunday, February 23, 2020 12:29 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

very cool comment I see your parents raised you right

My parents eat other parents.

That post single-handedly invalidates silby's line of argument in the babby thread.

it's exciting and cool that bernie is winning

This is C- MSNBC punditry. Everything Republicans believe is unpopular. Most of what moderate Democrats agree to is unpopular.

at this point we've all agreed that the time was right for a science experiment so we really don't have to argue about how sanders' polices are gonna fare in a general election, we'll just get to wait and see. maybe the only thing keeping democrats from associating themselves with popular things and easily crushing elections was their deep dedication to the status quo. maybe he's unlocked a secret formula and we'll have a whole new generation of socialist bulworths.

I really have no idea why the politics of self-delusion is so tied to a generation, but it’ll make for lots of great thought pieces after we lose
― iatee, Sunday, February 23, 2020 6:40 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

v cool that humanity's faced with an existential crisis like climate change and the politically sober and reasonable position is "dont elect the only candidate promoting popular movements to fight climate change"

this is one fine moment despite everyone but iatee having pretty solid knowledge of how to wipe their ass

(but congrats dude you've joined fred in the Circle of Moronic Cynicism)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k

I would ask you for how-to-do-cynicism-real-good lessons but I guess we need to wait a little bit. maybe December?

xp

who are you backing?

is anyone gonna make a supercut of chris matthews' brain dying for my benefit

Democrats have won the popular vote in the last three presidential elections, and also in six out of the past seven presidential elections overall. Has it been tight and getting tighter? Of course. Is there a chance of procedural fuckery handing a win to the other guy? Obviously (see: two out of those past seven elections). Bernie is clearly pretty popular, Trump is clearly bad and hated beyond his coterie of unwavering mutants. There's plenty of reason to worry that things will go pear-shaped yet again but there's also plenty of reason to hope for the best without feeling like your hopes are totally delusional.

The idea that Sanders will change anything is definitely delusional

Fred, do you wanna amend this so as not to sound like a complete fucking idiot?

Also, what about the current president? Has he changed anything?

xxpost

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtWVpYVuQ9g

That post single-handedly invalidates silby's line of argument in the babby thread.

I really have no idea why the politics of self-delusion is so tied to a generation, but it’ll make for lots of great thought pieces after we lose
― iatee, Sunday, February 23, 2020 6:40 AM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

v cool that humanity's faced with an existential crisis like climate change and the politically sober and reasonable position is "dont elect the only candidate promoting popular movements to fight climate change"

so this thread has become "condescendingly point out how difficult it is to advance a progressive agenda with a divided Congress to grown adults who learned this shit in grade school", cool

who are you backing?

I assume we’ve covered this piece but since the penny is finally dropping for a lot of people this morning, it’s a good link to send to nervous people/concern trolls https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2020/1/7/21002895/bernie-sanders-2020-electability

all of the dems are actually ‘pretty against global warming’ one of them isn’t more legit because he says ‘green new deal’.

does "pretty against global warming" include the preservation of fracking as a "transitional energy?"

Because 2/3 of the remaining candidates believe that.

Something I don't understand. It's Sunday, about half the results for Nevada are in, and the slowness is not a story. Was the furor over Iowa really because it was so close then? Nevada doesn't seem any faster.

The idea that Sanders will change anything is definitely delusional

Fred, do you wanna amend this so as not to sound like a complete fucking idiot?

Also, what about the current president? Has he changed anything?

― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), 23. februar 2020 16:25 (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Hi Hadrian. I already answered the second of your question in the very post you posted half of, then said it made me seem like an idiot. So no, I honestly don't particularly want to 'amend' half of a post I already, like, wrote once before.

It’s just stupid xp

It's going much faster than in Iowa. Iowa had zero percent reported for a couple of days, iirc

Something I don't understand. It's Sunday, about half the results for Nevada are in, and the slowness is not a story. Was the furor over Iowa really because it was so close then? Nevada doesn't seem any faster.

Lost in Nevada coverage because of size of Sanders win: as of 10:00 a.m. Eastern on Sunday, just 50-60 percent of precinct results have been reported. Had this been close like Iowa, we’d have no idea. Again. pic.twitter.com/pY1M8j9rrC

— Charles Franklin (@PollsAndVotes) February 23, 2020

It's going much faster than in Iowa. Iowa had zero percent reported for a couple of days, iirc

IIRC, the first results from Iowa brought us to 63% counted about 21 hours after the caucus began. IDK if Nevada is going to beat that by muchhttps://t.co/tmxQQ7fBlj

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) February 23, 2020

Wrong yet again. Please stop posting.

new board descrip plz

xxxxpost yeah Warren was my first choice too

Fair enough, for 21 hours then it was at 0%, there was at least something after Nevada. I'm still more right on this than you caek.

caek asked you nicely to stop posting

Why would I care?

Hope springs eternal

Iowa panic was because a) it was first, so there was a lot of pent-up anxiety about finally seeing some actual results after months of campaigning, and b) system failures (both the technological failure of the app and the state party's mishandling of the response) contributed to a sense of disaster.

Nevada benefits from the landslide for Sanders but also lower expectations post-Iowa.

Nevada also did some kind of double ledger thing that should mean we do eventually find out broadly correct results. The Iowa results are still full of mistakes and will probably never be known.