Watch this: Elsa hears a voice, she follows it and ... discovers she has an Other Half, who is out of balance much the same way she was in the first movie. She does some stuff, fights the bad magic mojo that's keeping them apart, unite as a couple and live happily ever after. While her sister, Anna, learns to live on her own, no longer co-dependent.
There, done. Drama!
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link
xp I don’t know, I’ve seen a lot of Disney movies, I can’t immediately think of another scene where a hero racked with despair and hopelessness finds a way to summon inner resources and commit to something greater than herself.And I don’t think Olaf “grows up,” in fact it’s the opposite — I think he comes to recognize and accept that he’s not human. I’d have to see it again; I thought Olaf was a great part of this movie, but the details are fuzzy on exactly how.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:10 (four years ago) link
You want Elsa to “unite as a couple” with her shadow self? That’s weird, lol
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:11 (four years ago) link
And I don’t think Anna’s codependent; she’s been deeply affected by the enforced separation between herself and her sister, and wants for them to be able to fully connect and support each other, without Anna being pushed away.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:14 (four years ago) link
lol, it's a *metaphoric* shadow self. It's really just another lonely girl with powers, who "completes" her.
And Olaf doesn't grow up! But all of his songs and much of his dialogue is about getting older and aging, weird things for an ageless, practically immortal being magically created fully formedfrom snow to consider.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link
regardless, my imaginary movie got nominated for best animated film, and this one didn't, so there.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:18 (four years ago) link
xp Exactly (re: Olaf) — and there’s something poignant about how that’s done.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link
I also have to confess I don’t understand the popular fixation with “setting Elsa up“… until the end of this movie, she clearly wasn’t ready to be in a relationship with anyone, because she hadn’t “found herself” yet.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:22 (four years ago) link
(I mean, I read one of the filmmakers say something like that an interview, so it’s not an original insight. But I think it’s on the money.)
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link
The point of the Olaf song is that it won't make sense when he is older, because old people are lying about settler colonialism! It was obvious!
― Frederik B, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link
And Elsa freezes because that's what realizing the dark truth of settler colonialism does to people, ice powers or not.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link
Josh, did you see Toy Story 4, which actually did win Best Animated Feature Film? (I haven’t yet)
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link
I did! I recall thinking it was okay, same with part 3. but to me toy story 2 is the best one.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:29 (four years ago) link
Man, you want tears? I just got back from my daughter's middle school performance of songs from Frozen and Moana, supporting kids with special needs, and it's remarkable seeing how much this music moves and means to kids.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 22 February 2020 20:59 (four years ago) link
Dang... I can imagine.
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Saturday, 22 February 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link
Next movie should be a back to basics move
Let's get back to the sound of two sisters, an iceman and his reindeer, and an anthropomorphic snowman in a room playing
This movie was fine, someone upthread best described it as the quality of a direct-to-video sequel. "Lost in the Woods" was the one song I'll take away from this, and that song felt the least well integrated into the movie
― Vinnie, Sunday, 23 February 2020 00:32 (four years ago) link
Way too much snowman
Nordic Jar-Jar
― Boot edge edgelord (Ye Mad Puffin), Sunday, 23 February 2020 00:50 (four years ago) link
When he's so annoying that even the other characters hope he falls asleep, that's sort of a own goal.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:06 (four years ago) link
I liked the sequel more than the first one *runs away*
― Nhex, Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:32 (four years ago) link
^me too
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:33 (four years ago) link
No, that's fair. I didn't think this one was terrible any more than I thought the first one was particularly good. They are both fine. This one is just a lot more muddled and therefore brings more attention to its faults, imo.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 23 February 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
I love the artwork in the Little Golden Book adaptation (I’m a real Frozen Bro, lol)https://i.imgur.com/wfu1BRX_d.jpg?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Sunday, 23 February 2020 02:42 (four years ago) link
Over the holidays, when I didn't have a lot else to think about, I spent time browsing fan Instagram accts. devoted to "Frozen," and found ppl who had already seen the new film seven times. I can sort of relate to that level of obsession (even though I couldn't personally match it).
― Ticket Tout (morrisp), Sunday, 23 February 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link
wait, that's not how it happenend in the movie. she totally tamed that sea stallion, as is the dream of every girl
― Nhex, Sunday, 23 February 2020 03:01 (four years ago) link
this one was fine but too beholden to the first movie to really do anything all that greatbut i was also annoyed!where the *fuck* did all that water from the dam go ELSAwhat is that stupid cutesy fire lizard? and how come elsa gets to be special all over again? SHE DONE ALREADY DONE HAD HERSES
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:39 (four years ago) link
i really loved it, it is not quite the queer feminist pagan fantasy that i pretend it is but i still pretend that it is. we saw it at the cinema and will probably watch it again this afternoon
― marcos, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:18 (four years ago) link
“Lost in the Woods” would make a great karaoke cut
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Sunday, 15 March 2020 14:26 (four years ago) link
yeah it’s like a lost Peter Cetera song, it’s really good
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link
"You're the Inspiration" vibes a-plenty
― Nhex, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:41 (four years ago) link
Except more of a boring Broadway pastiche version of that, imo.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 15 March 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
both things exist on the highest equal plane for some people, e.g. Jim Pardo
― latin hypercube in shitspace (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 15 March 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link
^hey, I’m a huge Pardo fan!(I’m sure y’all are aware this is now available on D+, several months early)
― Panic! At The Costco (morrisp), Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:21 (four years ago) link
Today I had to fast-forward to where my kids had been in the movie (after Disney+ fritzed out); I was like, “...was it after she meets the Nokk?,” and my wife was all, “How the f do you know what the horse is called?”
― morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
My daughter made this today. Dunno if this will work ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0S8oB3FgLbtYW5HO1XvfrHdolTilxtbBl2U8vlQoEZv7xEOCmFios6jIM
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 03:16 (four years ago) link
No.
Yeah it worked. Cool!
― morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 05:44 (four years ago) link
How did it work for you? Are you able to access the link at least? I just see an error note. Anyway, here is the link, which needs to be de-quoted::
"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1wJFSS3ver2R2DipEUfLDIri1JFTQKSSqLD7acZo8FsPpOJtA126CGVGI"
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link
Or not. Dammit!
I still can't see it.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Monday, 23 March 2020 14:49 (four years ago) link
http://www.youtube.com /watch?v=Yi58fwClSzA&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR1wJFSS3ver2R2DipEUfLDIri1JFTQKSSqLD7acZo8FsPpOJtA126CGVGI
OK, I assume just reconnect the two halves of that link.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 23 March 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
I had just clicked on the original link in my web browser…
― morrisp, Monday, 23 March 2020 17:00 (four years ago) link
very cute, especially her Sven impression.
― ☮️ (peace, man), Monday, 23 March 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
so cute! thumbs up on moose and snowman
― Nhex, Monday, 23 March 2020 19:43 (four years ago) link
https://www.instagram.com/p/CABP91pHgck/
― Inadequate grass (morrisp), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 05:53 (four years ago) link
🤘
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 06:47 (four years ago) link
There's another new(-ish) Olaf retcon short on Disney+, called "Once Upon a Snowman." It's cute, but I only accept the Chris Buck / Jennifer Lee productions as Frozen canon.
― good karma, my aesthetic (morrisp), Wednesday, 9 December 2020 02:33 (three years ago) link
It's so f'd up that Anna leaves Hans in charge (when Elsa flees) - they presumably have a palace full of lifelong advisors, one of them really should have put the kibosh on that.
― r u rolling pop 2021 (morrisp), Sunday, 4 July 2021 19:50 (two years ago) link