Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

not saying anything specifically except that this is kinda sus

would be even more sus if they aired his views on this subject 4 years ago

I think we can all agree that the real losers last night were the American people

Sund4r, did your Trump-loving FB friend by chance vote for Obama in '08 or '12? And if you pour soy sauce on him, do his nerve endings fire wildly, sending his tentacles into a fit of spasming that might almost suggest the presence of brain activity?

this dehumanizing rhetoric should be offensive to Americans of all stripes, regardless of political party or how many mansions they own

I'm sorry, Pierre. Thank the Mormon god that you're here to maintain civility among the heathens.

Bernie hogging the headlines daily since December
citation needed

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Wednesday, February 19, 2020 1:34 PM

Okay, sure. Maybe things aren't as bad as I imagined, but still... How about: mentions of candidates in article titles at 5 most circulated US newspapers (USA Today, WSJ, NYPost, NY Times, LA Times) and top 3 most visited News websites (foxnews, cnn, huffpo) as of 1:48PM EST, 2/19/20

Trump: 40+
Bloomberg: 35
Sanders: 15
Buttigieg: 6
Warren: 4

Source: me and Ctrl + F

Update:

Mentions of candidates in article titles at 5 most circulated US newspapers (USA Today, WSJ, NYPost, NY Times, LA Times) and top 3 most visited News websites (foxnews, cnn, huffpo) 3:57 PM EST, 2/20/20

Trump: 35
Bloomberg: 29 (32 if we’re counting the nickname ‘Bloom’)
Sanders 20
Buttigieg: IDK
Warren: 8

someone's polishing up their resume!

The campaign manager also said he's “not sure” Bloomberg will beat Sanders on Super Tuesday and that "it may be there’s not much campaign in March after that date."

So, uh, that's where the Bloomberg campaign is at right now! https://t.co/EZ7hAzb823

— Cristina Cabrera (@crismcabrera) February 20, 2020

xp. sanders is the front runner and yet gets way less coverage than bloomberg? is that the point you're making?

I mean they ran a fucking barrel of fish for president and now they're acting surprised some shots landed

xp. no, you ding-dong. the first thing I said was 'Maybe things aren't as bad as I imagined, but still...' which is typically interpreted as a mea culpa.

keep a shooter with a chopper
turn you to an organ donor

I’m honestly not seeing how Warren has received less or less charitable coverage than Bernie.

Good news, data is a thing now!

Past month: Sanders 17,931 / Warren 5,720

Past week: Sanders 3,836 / Warren 919

So, roughly three times as much?

(Mentions of 2020 candidates on CNN, MSNBC and FOX News 24 hours a day 7 days a week using data from the Internet Archive's Television News Archive processed by the GDELT Project. https://api.gdeltproject.org/api/v2/campaign2020/campaign2020?dm=rawdem&ts=1w)

You may also have heard a smidgen about the NBC/WSJ poll that not-very-accidentally left her out. Perhaps those who aren't noticing the weirdness in coverage of Warren simply don't care to notice it, or don't think it matters.

we should do ilx next.

he's basically been the frontrunnner for the last week/ month, and she's coming in 3rd and 4th. that's probably to be expected.

i don't really care to get into a pissing match on who the media has ignored or attacked the most over the last year, but i'd say Sanders has a pretty good claim on that honor.

just accept that everybody thinks their candidate has been mistreated by the media

Nah. I don’t think that’s a given. Certainly Sanders (Biden) is covered less than some think he should be, but he’s still covered a lot more than Warren (Klobuchar).

I really don’t think it’s a pissing match, and I don’t think Bernie Sanders, currently in lead, is the benighted victim of a media blackout or target of planned ignoring, especially given the 4 or 5 times mentions he receives for every one of Elizabeth Warren’s.

he does seem to get a lot of weirdly pointed questions at the debates. "are your supporters too mean online" jfc gtfo with that shit

i mean you could say that, but it's pretty hard to ignore the breathless paens bestowed on Klobuchar, Pete, and even to some degree Mike.

media personalities are rich, at least as far as cable news and NYT/ WaPo/ etc go. the people who sign their checks are richer still. it's not shocking that they bristle at the thought of someone who might make them ever so slightly less rich.

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all that to say, if Warren had placed first (or second re delegates) in IA and first in NH, and had either commanding leads or fairly close second place expectations polls-wise in upcoming states, all while Sanders is coming in 3rd and 4th, i suspect you'd see those numbers of mentions reversed.

now would the coverage still be weird and negative? probably.

As far as "highest rated" goes... Were there any Democratic prez debates before '84? I don't remember any. Teddy def didn't debate Jimmy. I know Mondale said "Where's the beef?" to Hart.

1976
The first debate took place in Boston on February 23, with Birch Bayh, Jimmy Carter, Fred Harris, Henry M. Jackson, Milton Shapp, Sargent Shriver, and Mo Udall participating.

A second, a month later, had Carter, Frank Church, Harris, Jackson and Udall on the panel. And in May, with now-front runner Jimmy Carter boycotting, Church and Udall participated in a third.

1980
Despite repeated calls by Massachusetts Senator Edward M. Kennedy, President Jimmy Carter refused to debate.

wow I'm amazed Chris Matthews hasn't waxed rhapsodically about the clash of Scoop Jackson and Birch Bayh

(unless he has)

Can't seem to find footage of the '76 stuff. Probably has something to do with it being pre-CSPAN.

i'd be willing to bet that if that was on a network, it was on Sunday afternoon.

man, Shriver thought he'd get a good bounce from being McGovern's running mate?

hell, I remember long ago, in October and November, when we noted how Sanders was getting no coverage.

And the many misleading cable news graphs where he'd be put behind someone he was leading or be left out of headlines.

The media is mostly incompetent and a bit corrupt.

Look who owns most of the big media companies.

they ran a fucking barrel of fish for president and now they're acting surprised some shots landed

Gefilte 2020

the thought of someone who might make them ever so slightly less rich.

neither Warren nor Sanders will make anyone less rich, they will just make some other people less poor

probably needs to do better at the "how do we pay for all this" thing because that's the one I hear all the time

I don't disagree but Buttigieg did make my skin crawl a little with his conservative talking points on M4A. Most countries that have a similar model are spending less on health care than the US; accepting the framing that this is a huge new expense (as opposed to an equitable and efficient way of distributing the funding for an existing system) almost seems like campaigning for the GOP. Talking about this as a tax raise on the middle-class without even mentioning what people would save in medical expenses didn't help. Surely similar points could even be made by someone to Buttigieg's right about Buttigieg's own plan for a public option. I could understand expressing reservations about the marketability of M4A, the feasibility of getting it through Congress, changing things too fast, even ideological opposition to a ban on private insurance, but the angle Buttigieg took really seemed off imo.

OZYMANDIAS, THE FRESH KING OF KINGS
I whistled for a traveler, and when he came near,
His land was antique, and he frowned at my sneer,
If anything I could say ye mighty, despair,
But I thought, “Nah, forget it—my wreck’s boundless and bare!”

— Avery Edison (@aedison) November 14, 2017

I have filled out my primary ballot!

Bearded Buttigieg

Sorry, meant to post that in WS of Shame thread.

calling Bangalore

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/taking-no-chances-nevada-dems-hire-massive-call-center-avoid-n1140396

^ says nothing in that article about Bangalore. there are plenty of call centers in the USA, morbs. I'll bet there's even one in NV, but if not, I know that South Dakota has plenty of them.

i just remembered that part of the debate where buttigieg made the jokey observation that he "only" had one house, and my first reaction was "wow, i wonder what it would be like to own a house"

Srsly. And also: I hope he's hounded endlessly after he writes some stupid book and fails to immediately divest himself of all but $999,999.99 of the proceeds.

If I understood the one article correctly that I read on the topic, isn't one of the "houses" they're attributing to Sanders is his DC condo that he has to have to work in DC? And which anyone who gets elected to a position in DC needs to have?

is it one of those ones where a bunch of senators all live together, like Alpha House?

yeah, he has a place in DC. he also has 2 30 year mortgages. such a stupid attack line.

Y'all trending #BeardedButtigieg ?

When #beardedklobuchar exists? pic.twitter.com/34o36QwWi8

— Genie thee grifter (@californalovers) February 21, 2020

jfc

CNN: The Nevada State Democratic Party is asking site leaders to sign non-disclosure agreements, according to one volunteer who had planned to help with Saturday’s caucuses but quit because he didn’t want to sign the document.

— Shimon Prokupecz (@ShimonPro) February 21, 2020

what happens in vegas, stays in vegas

can we tell Elizabeth Warren to yell at the NS Democratic Party too

Aimless, it was a dum joke

has anyone proposed limiting, by law, the use or reach of NDAs?

Something something freely entered contracts or whatever