Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

ppl do know that the presidency isn't just tearing into Bloomberg?

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), 20. februar 2020 16:19 (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

True. You also need Perrin tweets

yeah and even if things end up going better for Warren, I am nowhere near done being angry at the deliberately shitty way she's been covered/not covered. (Plus the *shrug* yeah it sucks, but what can ya do? attitude even itt). Nor at the premature obituaries (including itt) speaking of her campaign in the past tense because omg two stupid white-ass northern states voted.

Nor at the way #TheStoryNeedsToChange is totally manufactured. The same organizations that were like "stick a fork in her, she's done" will gleefully cover "yeah, SOME people thought she was done but it turns out she isn't." Ignoring that they were the selfsame ones who created the narrative that is now being upended, etc. etc.

I have no serious quarrel with Bernie and am generally BlueNoMatterWho. But even if you prefer another candidate you can agree that this shit is wack.

yes that shrinking violet DJT will respond to verbal attacks just like Whiny Mr Burns did

I'll bet you a subscription to a Perrin podcast that every candnidate on the stage expected (and prepared for) more verbal attacks than Bloomberg than they got.

than = from

Do we really think that Trump will be engaging in presidential debates this time around? I'm not sure that's a bet that I'd take.

He might literally do it to show up and call people by their stupid nicknames.

Very much pro both, but I’m honestly not seeing how Warren has received less or less charitable coverage than Bernie.

I do think it’s kind of wild that the big Dem donors and the pro-Dem pundits thumbing the scales could not Read the Fucking Room and get that Warren could have been (possibly still could be?) the unity candidate.

will otm. seeing the clips it yet again strikes me as completely insane that Warren isn't walking this. But they really really don't like higher taxes.

Feel like a crucial element of Buttigieg's makeup was revealed when one of the moderators made reference to an award-winning essay he wrote and his face lit up with the biggest smile I've ever seen on him. He looked eerily like a ten-year-old who'd just been told he won first prize in the science fair. It's all about doing the work for the sake of the win, after which that dumb fucking model volcano is going straight in the trash.

Is this actually a new revelation? This seems like it's been his defining characteristic since he stepped onto the national stage.

omg two stupid ass white northern states voted

True. And it’s possible that those performances unfortunately coincided with a low point in her campaign, narratively speaking (ugh gross)

But... I don’t see how if she’s doing poorly in states like New Hampshire and Iowa that’s she necessarily going to turn it around in places like S Carolina or Nevada or Texas or California etc

Feel like a crucial element of Buttigieg's makeup was revealed when one of the moderators made reference to an award-winning essay he wrote and his face lit up with the biggest smile I've ever seen on him. He looked eerily like a ten-year-old who'd just been told he won first prize in the science fair.

Cannot lie, I find this aspect of him tremendously relatable! He likes to be praised! Don't we all? I know you're supposed to hide it but I sort of like that he can't.

Do we really think that Trump will be engaging in presidential debates this time around?

Only on Fox

You guys like showbiz as much as Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd do.

I'll bet you a subscription to a Perrin podcast

https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/anchor-podcasts/beautiful-lies-with-dennis-perrin-kirby-crider

Cannot lie, I find this aspect of him tremendously relatable! He likes to be praised! Don't we all? I know you're supposed to hide it but I sort of like that he can't.

It is kind of dumb that "he likes to receive praise for good work but he doesn't actually CARE about the work, just the praise" is an attack line, seeing as the work still exists after he's done with it

I do think it’s kind of wild that the big Dem donors and the pro-Dem pundits thumbing the scales could not Read the Fucking Room and get that Warren could have been (possibly still could be?) the unity candidate.

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:47 AM bookmarkflaglink

iirc the big donors do not want her because they are big donors (in other words super rich), and she is running on a wealth tax.

iow What Said Fred

The dumb thing is that they will still be super rich after the wealth tax

But... I don’t see how if she’s doing poorly in states like New Hampshire and Iowa that’s she necessarily going to turn it around in places like S Carolina or Nevada or Texas or California etc

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, February 20, 2020 10:53 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk how many people will actually do this, but nevada has easily accessible early voting, so those who were inspired by her debate performance last night can vote for her today.

I'm too truthful for this thread

The dumb thing is that they will still be super rich after the wealth tax

if there was anything sane or rational about hoarding obscene amounts of wealth they wouldn't be super rich in the first place

The dumb thing is that they will still be super rich after the wealth tax

“make”

Warren lost claim to being a unity candidate after her weird flare-up with Sanders last month. After that and backtracking on M4A she was going nowhere.

eh it’s a primary and candidates are going to snipe but I’ll grant you that stanning the likes of Klobs and passive aggressive swipes at Bernie over t he culinary union’s non-endorsement is definitely nagl.

speaking of her campaign in the past tense because omg two stupid white-ass northern states voted.

yeah, but they were also two states she spent nearly all of her time and focus on in the past year or so

Warren lost claim to being a unity candidate after her weird flare-up with Sanders last month. After that and backtracking on M4A she was going nowhere.

both of these things happened after her support started falling, not before, but it's a convenient narrative for people who were always gonna vote for sanders anyway

Feel like a crucial element of Buttigieg's makeup was revealed when one of the moderators made reference to an award-winning essay he wrote and his face lit up with the biggest smile I've ever seen on him. He looked eerily like a ten-year-old who'd just been told he won first prize in the science fair.

Cannot lie, I find this aspect of him tremendously relatable! He likes to be praised! Don't we all? I know you're supposed to hide it but I sort of like that he can't.

yep, same. i think i hate him so much because he represents a part of me that i fucking hate and have been trying to murder out of myself ever since. i once posted a photo of myself as a 10-year-old pete buttigieg winning a math contest. you'll have to trust me because the image link is now broken, but roxymuzak correctly pointed out that i looked like a smug bastard

IA and NH serve better as a sieve for Republican candidates than for Democrats.

lol

The day after the debate, Elizabeth Warren bought a full page ad in Sheldon Adelson’s newspaper saying Sheldon Adelson will pay $2.3 billion the first year of her wealth tax. I think that’s called chutzpah. pic.twitter.com/dV7O3G8MJu

— Jon Ralston (@RalstonReports) February 20, 2020

i will continue canvassing for warren Sat. i liked how she kept going back to core values for her, and I believe her to be sincere about em based on her actions with consumer protection and bankruptcy, and her consistency in msg.

i was heartened to see her direct insistence at bloomps. his face was just “i got nothing.”

botox biden 0_0 piling onto bloomps in a verbatim echo just after her was wonderfully sad what a scrub. still, he was better than I expected overall.

biggest surprise for me is—i regretfully admit i rather liked buttigieg’s style, it is his substance that I have zero confidence in. he has to move to bigger tougher stages for longer for me to imagine him anywhere near president.

i don’t trust Klobuchar the more i know and see. and she has the worst environmental prospects of moderates.

no surprise, i liked Bernie, I just don’t have as much confidence in him getting it all done, and being around a while.

xp to Karl Malone: There's no way to ask this in a way that doesn't sound condescending but how old are you? In my thirties I hated this part of myself and wanted to expunge it. In my late forties and as the parent of kids that age, I have come to accept it as a part of ourselves to be accepted and even embraced; in some sense allowing yourself to feel it enables you to have a healthy relationship with it.

i honestly can't blame Klobs for hating Pete, he really is smarm personified and if I was pushing 60 and running for president I'd probably want to box his ears too.

Pete's demeanor is perfect for a kid who just delivered all his newspapers extra early so he can go home and take a second shower before school.

Tbf, I believe Warren's proposed tax is 2% of the entire worth of people who have more than 50M in accumulated assets, not just a marginal rate on yearly income over $50M. There is a p big difference. xp to will

all of the above would be fine, except that Pete is not benign.

Xp

https://elizabethwarren.com/plans/ultra-millionaire-tax

Yes. Interestingly in the live clips I've seen of her explaining it, she talks about the taxability of wealth as if it's "income." I think ppl don't know what "wealth" really is anyway.

Including me. I'm people.

It is kind of dumb that "he likes to receive praise for good work but he doesn't actually CARE about the work, just the praise" is an attack line, seeing as the work still exists after he's done with it

The context was that he won an award for writing an essay praising Sanders's socialism and now he was perceived to be still taking pride in the award while attacking Sanders's socialism. I agree with you in part but I think the the concern behind that attack line is that someone who cares more about recogniton than the substance of work is liable to do whatever will get him the most praise at the moment. That said, wgaf what soneone wrote as a teenager.

xp to eephus! 36! and no worries, it's not condescending. i'm not immune to the idea of coming to terms with it, but for now i'm happy to just name it and see it as a thing that happened, rather than physically recoiling whenever the memory comes up

I'm too truthful for this thread

I believe Warren's proposed tax is 2% of the entire worth of people who have more than 50M in accumulated assets, not just a marginal rate on yearly income over $50M.

This can't possibly be right -- it would create a massive cost of nosing above an arbitrary asset threshold.

Its 2% of wealth EXCEEDING 50M. If you have 49 million in your assets: 0 wealth tax. If you have 51 million in assets, $20K.

those poor, unfortunate people with >$50M in assets, my heart goes out to them

The Ultra-Millionaire Tax taxes the wealth of the richest Americans. It applies only to households with a net worth of $50 million or more—roughly the wealthiest 75,000 households, or the top 0.1%. Households would pay an annual 2% tax on every dollar of net worth above $50 million and a 6% tax on every dollar of net worth above $1 billion. Because wealth is so concentrated, this small tax on roughly 75,000 households will bring in $3.75 trillion in revenue over a ten-year period.

OK, so not on entire worth but on net worth that exceeds the threshold. Not yearly income, though. xp yes

Only 70,000 households in America would be affected. Given asset appreciation after inflation is ~6% over long term durations, it would increase their expected wealth doubling time from 12 years to 18 years.

looool

fuckin Biden lol pic.twitter.com/Xvq0gS5lOr

— Screamer Jim (@HeheWaitWhut) February 20, 2020

Article fails to indicate which brand of domestic beer Biden cracked open immediately afterwards.

Non-alcoholic.