If Mike Bloomberg is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November?

Bloomberg at best would probably appoint justices in the mold of Anthony Kennedy. You won’t get any liberals.

How do you know for certain?

bc he’s a republican

Exactly.

Dubya was worse than Trump on the whole tbf

Depends on the metric. Dubya directly responsible for more loss of human life, but Trump & Co. are wrecking the norms we live by.

Dubya is worse as of now because of what he did, Trump has created the potential for things to be persistently worse for well after he's gone.

I really want the Presidency to shrink in power

hard to imagine Bloomberg nominating a judge who had the slightest chance of voting with the conservatives on 2nd amendment cases

Or alienating the part of congress he will need the most.

If George W Bush is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November

Won't happen, but honestly, yeah, I would!

Though I would much prefer Bloomberg.

I would consider voting for Donald Trump over W (assuming he came with Cheney and the same pack of advisers and policies)

T/s: norms vs lives

voting for Dubya over Trump is complete insanity

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T/s: norms vs lives

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yeah I did a double take at that one

as to "it doesn't matter he won't win" - sure, probably not, but it's worth worrying about a zillionaire's ability to buy off the media, other politicians (ie mayors) and the party apparatus

If it wasn't someone as immediately repulsive as Bloomberg - say, Bill Gates - are you more worried?

so we're forgetting how many people probably died in PR due to Trump and his own FEMA's abandonment?. like, no, he hasn't remotely approximated the death toll of the post 9/11 wars, but he does have blood on his hands, his actions have lead many more people to be deported or has prevented people needing asylum from coming here, and his court also has upheld terrible state-level abortion legislation with the potential to go further once they rule on the right appeal.

this isn't just "lol he didn't respect the way we do things" or most of us would sleep better at night. plus, it seems fairly silly to keep comparing a President who completed 8 years to one who hasn't even finished his first term.

"man, Rob Deer has nowhere near the strikeouts he usually has this season, granted, he's only played half the year thus far..."

i don't know what benefit these recurring rhetorical exercises bring us, but have at it if you wanna...

They are of no benefit

voting for Dubya over Trump is complete insanity

I don't know why I'm still taking this counterfactual seriously, but I honestly think 2020-24 Donald Trump is more likely to start a big stupid war that kills hundreds of thousands of people than 2020-24 George W. Bush even though (or perhaps because) George W. Bush did start a big stupid war that killed hundreds of thousands of people and Trump so far has not.

like you can't attribute it all to Trump, but authoritarian behavior combined with actually eroding the checks and balances that do exist have the potential to lead to a lot more potential destruction that will long out-survive Trump. imagine if a future hawk President manages to ram through a bloodier war than Iraq with half the effort Dubya had to put in, simply by deciding he doesn't need Congress's permission, and his own party refuses to hold him accountable for declaring war without their authority.

xxpost Shakey otm

Also Kirk Douglas on his deathbed: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michael-douglas-claims-kirk-douglas-last-words-backed-mike-bloomberg-2020/

― symsymsym

only man i trust is walt disney, on his deathbed he endorsed kurt russell for president

Ronald Reagan endorsed Kurtis Blow for president on his deathbed iirc

presidency canon-building is even worse than rock canon-building

i don't even care whether donald trump is "worse" than gwb, they both fucking suck, mike bloomberg sucks, people endlessly rambling on in political threads about how if they were hitler they'd annex the sudetenland suck, everything sucks except for the new tricot album which is pretty ok

https://media.tenor.com/images/d257d6eb6b4ba142f0c5122a575466f8/tenor.gif

Depends on the metric. Dubya directly responsible for more loss of human life, but Trump & Co. are wrecking the norms we live by.

Just needed to marvel at this sentence one more time

the 'gotcha'ing is also getting tired. i suspect JF wasn't merely saying "Trump sucks because I get in more fights on FB now"

if we're goin body counts, Truman wins

If George W Bush is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November?

Hell, no. This ridiculous hypothetical is not just "a bridge too far", but an uncrossable abyss.

will you vote for Benito Mussolini if he agrees to punch Richard Spencer in the face

you know what this thread's problem is? insufficiently queer. here, i'll try to help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQA74Ehnes

so we're forgetting how many people probably died in PR due to Trump and his own FEMA's abandonment?. like, no, he hasn't remotely approximated the death toll of the post 9/11 wars, but he does have blood on his hands

I don't think anyone suggested that he doesn't "have blood on his hands," but until Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo it will be all but impossible for a President to be as evil as Dubya.

in a world where george w. bush could legally run for a third term none of this would have happened because barack obama would already be serving his third term as president

I really want the Presidency to shrink in power

Electing Warren or Sanders should work, as Republicans would suddenly discover that they now oppose the notion of an unchecked (and uncheckable) unitary executive

How does Truman win?

Hiroshima / Nagasaki presumably?

Don't we usually say Iraq killed, like, ten times that?

korea

Seriously?

"It has been sometimes referred to in the English-speaking world as "The Forgotten War" or "The Unknown War" because of the lack of public attention it received both during and after the war, relative to the global scale of World War II, which preceded it, and the subsequent angst of the Vietnam War, which succeeded it.[65][66]"

But it can't be blamed on Truman anymore than WWI can be blamed on Wilson or WWII on Roosevelt. So I still don't get it. The ones with real blood on their hands, the war- and coupmongerers, at least since WWII, would be Eisenhower, Johnson, Nixon, Reagan, W Bush in my view.

Today, big mike is sad that people are mean to him online

we may never have a billionaire prez who handles criticism well

thread has gotten even stupider in last 24 hours, kudos

Like any good billionaire, I assume his attitude wrt most things on earth (including, say, the presidency) is 'that thing is basically mine because I've decided I want to have it'. Encountering any kind of resistance from within that contextual bubble would be enough to set anyone's bottom lip a-quivering. 'B-but...don't you understand? I waaaant it!'

Bloomberg 2020: DO YOU KNOW WHO I AM?!

"Berniebros ratioing Bloomberg" - politics really has sunk into the gutter.

look if we've established that money is political speech then we must accept that, actually, the online poors have no right to point out that mike bloomberg is a total piece of shit

yeah i fully support bullying the rich and powerful online. it's unlikely to get you arrested and appears to actually get to (some of) them. it's not much, but until further notice, it's m/l all we got.

This anti-Berniebro ad really is ridiculous, though. Not quite Willie Horton/Daisy material.

I fully support pairing the rich with some fava beans and a nice chianti but that's slightly more likely to get you arrested.