If Mike Bloomberg is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November?

its a moot pt bc this shriveled piece of shit will not win the nomination

― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Sunday, February 16, 2020 7:50 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Said this a lot in 2016

I can get over being outvoted by a real rival candidate. But out of all outcomes I can’t abide some Republican waltzing in and buying the party off.

If it makes you feel better, Republicans don't think he's a Republican and never did

If no one can beat a shitty old billionaire in the primaries maybe no one was apt to beat the even worse shitty old billionaire in the general.

Well they’ve been allowed to drive most of the political messaging in this country, might as well let them assign party membership.

republicans also think they're not racist, what republicans think doesn't matter

its a moot pt bc this shriveled piece of shit will not win the nomination

― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Sunday, February 16, 2020 7:50 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Said this a lot in 2016

― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Sunday, February 16, 2020 6:57 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

sure, the difference is that trump led in the polls non-stop within 2 months of announcing by appealing directly to the gop base and getting a boatload of "earned" media coverage. bloomberg punted on the early states and is hoping to win big on super tuesday by blitzing the airwaves where he is polling 3rd or 4th in every state, and he's facing a headwind of negative oppo research that alienates the dem base. im not saying its impossible, its just come on...

i'm less concerned about potential the effect on the 2020 election than about the longer-term effect of the example bloomberg is setting to anyone who still believes that electoral democracy is a form of government worth pursuing.

I still haven't seen anybody actually endorse Mike Bloomberg besides Mike Bloomberg, @FuckJerry/@KaleSalad/etc, and Barbra Streisand apparently

― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Saturday, February 15, 2020 8:00 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-endorsements/democratic-primary/#MichaelBloomberg

If George W Bush is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November

Also Kirk Douglas on his deathbed: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michael-douglas-claims-kirk-douglas-last-words-backed-mike-bloomberg-2020/

booming thread:

I'm about to head off to Spain, to promote "Contra los zombis," the Spanish edition of "Arguing with zombies." And I realized that this is an occasion to talk about walking dead ideas about the housing crisis, like this one 1/ https://t.co/uSKxysQYrN

— Paul Krugman (@paulkrugman) February 16, 2020

Yes. Because the alternative is Donald Trump
And two-three conservative Justices and countless federal justices.

Yes. Because the alternative is Donald Trump
And two-three conservative Justices and countless federal justices.

what on earth are you talking about

Dubya was worse than Trump on the whole tbf

Bloomberg at best would probably appoint justices in the mold of Anthony Kennedy. You won’t get any liberals.

How do you know for certain?

bc he’s a republican

Exactly.

Dubya was worse than Trump on the whole tbf

Depends on the metric. Dubya directly responsible for more loss of human life, but Trump & Co. are wrecking the norms we live by.

Dubya is worse as of now because of what he did, Trump has created the potential for things to be persistently worse for well after he's gone.

I really want the Presidency to shrink in power

hard to imagine Bloomberg nominating a judge who had the slightest chance of voting with the conservatives on 2nd amendment cases

Or alienating the part of congress he will need the most.

If George W Bush is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November

Won't happen, but honestly, yeah, I would!

Though I would much prefer Bloomberg.

I would consider voting for Donald Trump over W (assuming he came with Cheney and the same pack of advisers and policies)

T/s: norms vs lives

voting for Dubya over Trump is complete insanity

Sunday is Torture Porn Night at ILX.

T/s: norms vs lives

― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Sunday, February 16, 2020 9:55 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah I did a double take at that one

as to "it doesn't matter he won't win" - sure, probably not, but it's worth worrying about a zillionaire's ability to buy off the media, other politicians (ie mayors) and the party apparatus

If it wasn't someone as immediately repulsive as Bloomberg - say, Bill Gates - are you more worried?

so we're forgetting how many people probably died in PR due to Trump and his own FEMA's abandonment?. like, no, he hasn't remotely approximated the death toll of the post 9/11 wars, but he does have blood on his hands, his actions have lead many more people to be deported or has prevented people needing asylum from coming here, and his court also has upheld terrible state-level abortion legislation with the potential to go further once they rule on the right appeal.

this isn't just "lol he didn't respect the way we do things" or most of us would sleep better at night. plus, it seems fairly silly to keep comparing a President who completed 8 years to one who hasn't even finished his first term.

"man, Rob Deer has nowhere near the strikeouts he usually has this season, granted, he's only played half the year thus far..."

i don't know what benefit these recurring rhetorical exercises bring us, but have at it if you wanna...

They are of no benefit

voting for Dubya over Trump is complete insanity

I don't know why I'm still taking this counterfactual seriously, but I honestly think 2020-24 Donald Trump is more likely to start a big stupid war that kills hundreds of thousands of people than 2020-24 George W. Bush even though (or perhaps because) George W. Bush did start a big stupid war that killed hundreds of thousands of people and Trump so far has not.

like you can't attribute it all to Trump, but authoritarian behavior combined with actually eroding the checks and balances that do exist have the potential to lead to a lot more potential destruction that will long out-survive Trump. imagine if a future hawk President manages to ram through a bloodier war than Iraq with half the effort Dubya had to put in, simply by deciding he doesn't need Congress's permission, and his own party refuses to hold him accountable for declaring war without their authority.

xxpost Shakey otm

Also Kirk Douglas on his deathbed: https://www.mediaite.com/politics/michael-douglas-claims-kirk-douglas-last-words-backed-mike-bloomberg-2020/

― symsymsym

only man i trust is walt disney, on his deathbed he endorsed kurt russell for president

Ronald Reagan endorsed Kurtis Blow for president on his deathbed iirc

presidency canon-building is even worse than rock canon-building

i don't even care whether donald trump is "worse" than gwb, they both fucking suck, mike bloomberg sucks, people endlessly rambling on in political threads about how if they were hitler they'd annex the sudetenland suck, everything sucks except for the new tricot album which is pretty ok

https://media.tenor.com/images/d257d6eb6b4ba142f0c5122a575466f8/tenor.gif

Depends on the metric. Dubya directly responsible for more loss of human life, but Trump & Co. are wrecking the norms we live by.

Just needed to marvel at this sentence one more time

the 'gotcha'ing is also getting tired. i suspect JF wasn't merely saying "Trump sucks because I get in more fights on FB now"

if we're goin body counts, Truman wins

If George W Bush is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November?

Hell, no. This ridiculous hypothetical is not just "a bridge too far", but an uncrossable abyss.

will you vote for Benito Mussolini if he agrees to punch Richard Spencer in the face

you know what this thread's problem is? insufficiently queer. here, i'll try to help.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nIQA74Ehnes

so we're forgetting how many people probably died in PR due to Trump and his own FEMA's abandonment?. like, no, he hasn't remotely approximated the death toll of the post 9/11 wars, but he does have blood on his hands

I don't think anyone suggested that he doesn't "have blood on his hands," but until Iraq 2: Electric Boogaloo it will be all but impossible for a President to be as evil as Dubya.

in a world where george w. bush could legally run for a third term none of this would have happened because barack obama would already be serving his third term as president

I really want the Presidency to shrink in power

Electing Warren or Sanders should work, as Republicans would suddenly discover that they now oppose the notion of an unchecked (and uncheckable) unitary executive