bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

I like the Hatherly article too, but I don’t understand this:

it wasn’t hard to throw at racists a load of pictures of Corbyn with Palestinians and Irish Republicans. I’m amazed and horrified that strategy worked as well as it did — given it’s not hard to find pictures of Tony Blair or Bill Clinton with Arafat or Adams, or indeed Ian fucking Paisley bantering with Martin McGuinness — but it’s simply not a strategy that is repeatable.

surely it’s very repeatable?? particularly given how well it worked, and how unregulated the internet is?

Its repeatable but I don't know with the same success rate

To go back to the psychology thing above, I think we're missing a crucial component. How to deal with bullshit effectively. Corbyn was always on the defensive. If you were watching and you didn't speak English you would still know he was losing. There's a deeper subconscious issue about being seen as able to stand up to bullies, standing up for yourself. Showing you are Solid. You can't be spending your time on defence

I'm not particularly convinced any of the candidates have the skills, intelligence or wit to deal with bullshit either tbf (Starmer has the turning circle of an oil tanker) but lets be real here Corbyn was poor when in defence

xxp

I watched some of the Jewish hustings livestream. RLB was under a lot of pressure over Corbyn's lackadaisical approach to Labour AS and Pesto was giving her the roughest time of them all and the other 3 were getting a lot of applause when talking about how much they quarrelled with Corbyn and what amazing friends of the Jewish community they all are. She was facing the most hostile crowd since the Nottingham one full of Blairite councillors and I was thinking maybe the pressure of the event got to her and maybe she might revise that statement at a later date?

part of me wishes just turn around and say idgaf about israel or palestine and neither do you lets be real here

The next few years is going to be a never ending conveyor belt of questions about corbyn to an ever dwindling audience.

xp lol

when I go into a coffee shop I just say give me a fucking coffee - none of that fancy shit. I don't take the side of mocha or latte or even know wtf they are - my politics are the same!

More seriously though....why prevaricate when asked shite questions? Just say "Yes it is" or "No it isnt"

I saw someone make the observation that RLB needs to start with just Yes/No answers and expand if asked not the other way round.

Seriously is the same few questions each time, put them to bed, move on. If the interviewer doesn't like it say ok outside lets settle this like men. RLB could surely knock this umbrella man over

surely it’s very repeatable?? particularly given how well it worked, and how unregulated the internet is?

The pictures are almost irrelevant when you’ve framed the very idea of arresting soldiers for murdering civilians and any semblance of solidarity with Palestinians as toxic.

This is not great either from RLB / Momentum.

These Leave voters were angry about the election and had some tough questions for Rebecca. pic.twitter.com/VEe0HNfRpz

— Momentum (@PeoplesMomentum) February 15, 2020

Just saw that and yeah its bad. I don't know where they go those two actors from but they need to ask for a refund, this was stilted and staged af. They weren't convinced, she did no convincing and then they were convinced. ok labour.

"i dont think Boris could cope with someone like me because im bolshie" jesus no

The thing is, she can be good but this isn't it

I always avoid these vids like the plague, even though they often seem to be designed to appeal to total fucking idiots - I'm obv the wrong type of idiot!

Isn’t the point that no such pictures exist of the others to be flung at them again and again?

They are already trying to do this, from a different direction, with the abortion stuff and if she wins I'd expect a drip-drip of anti-Catholic dogwhistling that will of course never be acknowledged as such.

Labour - and indeed any mass-membership party - needs better and faster processes for weeding out antisemites and bigots in general and RLB needs to take a clear direction there otherwise this is going to keep coming up. A harder question to answer is "what is it about your lot that keeps attracting these pricks?" Obviously this rarely gets asked of the Tories and when it does they have the luxury of being able to just brazen it out, but this is the world we live in.

Reading the reports it sounds like RLB wasn't particularly well-prepared for the aggressive line of questioning she received and was on the defensive - there isn't really an excuse for being underprepared given it should have been obvious what was going to happen. Take an emphatic line about what you're actually going to do differently and stick to it. This goes back to what I'm saying about her ability to break out of the boxes that her opponents are putting her in, and in this case that's casting her as the defender of the status quo.

Momentum seemed to be competent at banging out these vids during GE '17 or at least they didn't put out such terrible drivel(tbh I didn't watch that clip!), but they definitely seem to have gone backwards somewhat in the communications side of the game.

I think that M video shows where some of Momentum, it's younger members are at post-defeat.

They basically need their posting mojo back.

oh Extinction Rebellion - kinda dicks, but good at getting a rise out of right dicks

Who is Richard Burgon?

Richard Burgon’s favourite book is J.R.R Tolkien’s Lord Of The Rings.

He says he has read it “maybe 15-times” after first encountering the book when he was 12-years-old. “It’s like a book I will read every few years because having a bit of escapism is important,” he says.

His top three favourite films are Terminator 2, Psycho and Remains Of The Day, and his favourite song is Rime of the Ancient Mariner by Iron Maiden.

I'm pretty sure his original third favourite film was a Red Dwarf box set but his people swapped it out at the last minute.

my favourite song is "the poems of gerard manley hopkins (with a painting by edward hopper on the paperback cover)", by saxon

my favourite song is The Epic of Gilgamesh by Poison

My favourite song is Ode To A Grecian Urn by Motley Crue.

it's good when we can just get these out of our system without starting a thread

Burgon confirmed as my first preference unless Butler commits to Fear Of The Dark or Number Of The Beast.

Selling your souls for #aesthetics is it 🤔

look it's "Back in the Village" or gtf as far as i'm concerned

Move over baggymp, we’ve got a live one

When people ask me to recommend a band that aren’t necessarily well-known, I always say Woods Of Ypres. I think they’re absolutely fantastic, and I’ve been listening to a lot of them recently. David Gold, the singer that died in the car crash, I think his lyrics are so fantastic. People always talk about Morrissey and his lyrics, but I believe David’s lyrics are at least on a par with Morrissey when it comes to the clever, introspective, deadpan lyrics. I think they’re totally unique, so I really recommend any album by them.”

Is this man the most metal politician on the planet?

dmitri medvedev PM-ed in vain :(

or as blabbermouth.net put it: https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/heavy-metal-fanatic-to-succeed-putin-as-rusian-leader/

i don't care if it gets me FP'd, Doom Metal sucks

"I got changed and went straight to the Sleep gig, and what was nice was that I mentioned to [Labour leader] Jeremy Corbyn that I was going to a gig that night, and he sent me a text during the gig saying ‘Enjoy the gig, you deserve it’.”

v subtle shade here from corbz IMO

hahahahaha

I think if Corbyn was that hilariously sardonic all the time and meant it, he'd be the PM now!

Any of the candidates expressed any opinions on microtonal metal? Could be a dealbreaker for at least one ILXor.

burgon’s forthcoming 33 1/3 monograph ‘burgon on burzum’ seems set to raise some awkward questions for a beleaguered labour party

A letter from Carter Ruck is winging its way to you as we speak.

I’d forgotten that was another Newton-Dunn ‘scoop’.

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2019/feb/06/labour-mp-richard-burgon-wins-nazi-libel-case-against-sun

fuckin’ hell at the pic of burgon the grauniad chose to use to accompany that story

just got this text. I’m a member of the Labour party but never expressed interest in KS. feels weird?

Hi Tracer Hand, this is Team Keir. Can Keir Starmer count on your vote?

Reply:
KEIR
REBECCA
LISA
UNDECIDED

Text STOP to unsubscribe

I got the same text.

Also got this one a few hours ago:

Doctor Rosena is standing to be Deputy Leader. She's an A&E doctor who has worked in conflict zones, helping the world's most vulnerable.

You can read more about her online: www.drrosena.co.uk

James, can she count on your vote?

Reply: YES, NO or MAYBE

Thanks!

#TeamRosena

yeah i just got it too, fuck off team keir is basically how i break it down to an extent

I haven't got it, because obv I'm such an out there radical they know not to fuck wit it!

Everyone on twitter is getting these if they’re w member and assuming they haven’t opted out of texts? I didn’t, but I always opt out of as much as possible, because I basically never want to be contacted.

i'd suggest texting back BALLS but then i thought maybe not

I hope this is happening because their internal polling is not good and they are starting to shit it.

I think it's happening because the Labour Party is just really shit with technology. I remember a lot of people complaining about the sheer volume of emails they were receiving in 2015.

Nah it’s the first day after ballot was confirmed and there’s still two fucking months of this nonsense left. This crowd obviously shelled out for the member data and they’re using it.

I’m guessing if you reply that you’re interested in whichever candidate that they’ll try to get you involved stuffing envelopes or something.

they offer any interesting activities like bricking A C Grayling's greenhouse or putting flaming dog shit on his doorstep. meh! stuff your own envelopes you eternal melt.