to form babby, or not to form babby

all that travolta sperm? it's travolta's fault. But the one sperm that wins the race in the beginning of look who's talking? travolta can't be liable. that sperm had its own ideas.

This is just the beginning.

xp

listen, I'm an idiot who hasn't read enough books, I'm getting to the end of my rhetorical rope here, all I want is for parents to accept that they've inflicted a potentially grievous harm on their children by having them

"getting"

oh eat a dick

fine i accept and i’m okay with it

existing is the most unpleasant thing I've ever had to do

all I want is for parents to accept that they've inflicted a potentially grievous harm on their children by having them

That 'potentially' has been doing quite a bit of work throughout.

all that travolta sperm?

So, if one requires parents to guarantee their children will evade every ill turn of fortune before procreating

I'd assumed silby was saying even that wouldn't be enough.

existing is the most unpleasant thing I've ever had to do

it's remarkable that you can't grasp what's wrong with this sentence - logically, gramatically, rhetorically

existing is literally the ONLY thing you have ever done. no existence = no you = neither pleasant/nor unpleasant. You cannot transpose the qualities of existence onto non-existence or vice versa, they are mutually exclusive.

I miss the lex.

all I want is for parents to accept that they've inflicted a potentially grievous harm on their children

Okay sure if it cools your incandescent rage for a moment. As long as you accept that we've also provided our children with unmatched opportunities for immense joy, such as orgasms and bacon and Mozart. None of these joys will ever be experienced by the non-extant. That potential for pleasure and happiness has to appear in the calculation or else your argument makes no sense.

We all have the potential to inflict harm on other beings in myriad ways. That's not an argument for never leaving the apartment - it's a calculated risk, as was noted upthread.

all I want is for parents to accept that they've inflicted a potentially grievous harm on their children by having them

And once they have given this proposition the fleeting consideration it deserves and discovered that it provides them with zero useful instruction about parenthood or the advisability of having children, they will promptly move on to more germane considerations. But your desire will be satisfied. So there's that to be glad for.

I mean if I didn’t exist I wouldn’t be complaining about it certainly.

if you didn't exist, but had the option to, would you want to? or would you decide "nah, too risky"

lol I think that's the one thing he's been clear on

silby, at which point did you realize that you were just trolling everyone, but you were going to do it anyway?

being a parent has been really fun so far 🙂

fun for who?

(jk)

just doing stuff like going to the movies or the zoo or we read in bed every night and snuggle, reading the Narnia books

that should be 'for whom?'

(jk)

for who the board lols

silby, at which point did you realize that you were just trolling everyone, but you were going to do it anyway?

― A is for (Aimless), Friday, February 14, 2020 11:00 AM (four minutes ago)

I'm too mad to be trolling

let us be the judge of that

it's a criterion of trolling that the troll isn't mad but everyone else is

if you want babby's soul
you gotta pay the troll toll

Roses are red, violets are blue
trollz do it for the lulz, what about you?

seriously do you guys not remember when ronan and the lex discussed children

fwiw I think children are wonderful people and all the positive qualities parents in this thread have rhapsodized about are otm

El Tomboto at 1:09 14 Feb 20

seriously do you guys not remember when ronan and the lex discussed children

I do not! but I bet it was good.

I do remember tuomas thinking it was ok to jackoff with a baby in the room

if you didn't exist, but had the option to, would you want to? or would you decide "nah, too risky"

lol I think that's the one thing he's been clear on

nah he hasn't

i mean yes plenty of parents are irresponsible in their attitudes here, but i think the general human belief that life is a good thing to have and a good thing to gift is a silly thing to sniff at. like you need to work harder than "what if it's bad tho". not even Buddhists believe that. and being mad at people for having that general human belief is ... not the high moral ground he thinks it is.

being alive is my best option but on balance I don't care for it

at least, not today I don't

I should really be doing my job but I've completely forgotten what it is at this point

don't care for it

your attitude toward life is unusual and parents can be forgiven for not reasoning based on it

can they?????

why should I, personally, forgive my parents

whom I love and have been almost exclusively good to me

and yet had me

half expecting silby to shortly be confronted by an angry magical whirlwind lecturing him on being such an ingrate

I’m grateful for most everything my parents did for me after I was born, but I’m furious I’m alive

OK, my dear silby. I will accept your premise that it should be vitally important for each potential parent to accept that the outcome of having a child includes a potential for that child to experience grievous harm, which same potential cannot be fulfilled if no child is forthcoming.

I have a couple of questions for you. Because the decision to bring a child into existence is binary and can only result in two positions, child or no child, how do you envision this vital acceptance as directing their ultimate decision? What philosophical guidance does it lend or practical application might it have to their decision?

Do not feel you must be brief in your answer. Be as comprehensive in your answer as you feel you require for us to understand your position.

why should I, personally, forgive my parents

different question based on unique circumstances

I mean ,most parents of our age group kind of just had kids on autopilot. I don't think decisions were really consciously made.

Aimless no fair telling me to post longer you're retired

half expecting silby to shortly be confronted by an angry magical whirlwind lecturing him on being such an ingrate

No, I think a bumbling but good-hearted angel needs to take him on a tour of how his idyllic home town would look had he not been born.

Waah sometimes I feel bad, and my body needs calories waah