Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

RIP he was our best president

btw this article is lol: https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2014/11/05/scott-brown-jeanne-shaheen-new-hampshire-senate-race-eileen-mcnamara

his vp was going to be an actual pickup truck iirc

I'd love for Warren to run with Bernie if only because I think it would consolidate the electorate and dissolve this bad blood that's been kicked up but I kind of doubt it will happen also. The one way I could think it might happen would be if Bernie told her he'd only serve one term and cede the presumptive nominee/incumbent place to her in four years.

that would leak and be politically damaging

bernie can't just step down and appoint warren to be the next nom, there would still be a primary

Out of curiosity, has it ever happened that a vice president has sought a 'third term' so to speak, and lost the nomination? In either party.

George Clinton was vice president for Jefferson and Madisdon, but that's the only fun fact I can think of.

John Calhoun was VP under both John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson.

A lot more chilled-out, actually. From this week:

- A message from Elizabeth
- I want to share a short story about the other night
- Can Elizabeth count on you to be one of the 180 grassroots donors we need from (STATE)?
- In just 9 days...

― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, February 14, 2020 5:33 PM (two hours ago)

i read this quickly and for a split-second thought that elizabeth warren was ending her fundraising emails by saying "but also, fuck you"

I wouldn't blame her at this point. But I'd say communications from her team are generally low-key.

George Clinton was vice president for Jefferson and Madisdon, but that's the only fun fact I can think of.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, February 14, 2020 3:17 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thought he was a member of parliament

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said it’s “very unfortunate” a rule change could allow his fellow presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg into the next Democratic debates. The qualifications no longer include a unique-donor threshold.

“That is what being a multi-billionaire is about. Some very good friends of mine who were competing in the Democratic nomination — people like Cory Booker of New Jersey, Julián Castro — work really, really hard. Nobody changed the rules to get them in the debate,” he said on “CBS This Morning” Friday.

“But I guess if you’re worth $60 billion, you can change the rules. I think that is very, very unfortunate,” he added.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-mike-bloomberg-shouldnt-be-in-next-democratic-debates/

Battle of the funky vice presidents: George Clinton vs. George H.W. Bush

fucking Florida. This is the first state poll I've seen anywhere where Bloompie is leading

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483097-poll-bloomberg-overtakes-biden-in-florida

retired Jews from NYC? I thought that was no longer the demographic case

my thoughts exactly

yeah I'm going to wind up losing a bet (a bet I made when I had no idea how week the entire field of centrists was going to look by now), because of fucking florida

FL: Biden down 15% and Bloomberg up 10%. This makes crude sense, in that the biggest takeaway from IA and NH has been that Biden's campaign is crumbling, so his soft support is drifting somewhere else. Into the breach, Bloomberg has poured a massive ad campaign extolling himself to the skies, unchallenged. This attracts the drifters who just want a safe-feeling non-Trump who won't try to pull any of those radical moves that might be upsetting.

this sorta goes against the media narrative

#National Democratic Primary, Head-2-Head:
Sanders 54% (+21)
Klobuchar 33%
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Sanders 54% (+17)
Buttigieg 37%
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Sanders 53% (+15)
Bloomberg 38
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Sanders 48% (+4)
Biden 44%
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Sanders 44% (+2)
Warren 42%@YouGovUS/@YahooNews 2/12-13 pic.twitter.com/PmqYFO2f7B

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) February 14, 2020

It's almost as if victories cause American voters to look differently at candidates.

Bloomberg's awareness is obv rising because of his massive amounts of TV and internet TV ads; him polling high is straight name recognition, like Biden was getting before anyone actually had to vote or caucus

I really like the idea of a dual role bc the veep spot is good media narrative, treasury plays to her formidable strengths, and because fuck👏those👏norms👏

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:52 AM (three hours ago)

otm

agree w/ fish moon thingie arrow that p much anyone else in the running is likely to offer her VP, but nobody else is likely to offer her as much influence as Sanders at all, let alone as VP/Treasury

man alive, Florida doesnt vote for another BLOODY FIVE WEEKS

I still think Bloomps is gonna do well in the polls up to the moment his prospective voters actually have to hear him speak so yes in that sense it'll be exactly like Biden

we should mass-retweet this account to Floridians

Stop y frisko es onlyo racista if ít happeños en el Raciso región del Francero. Othero placeros es justo sparklingo oppressioño.

— Miguel Bloombito (@ElBloombito) February 13, 2020

there's a debate between now and super Tuesday, right? Bloompie likely to fuck that up proper, there's no way Bernie will resist laying into him

my people:
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Pete-Buttigieg-San-Francisco-Queers-Against-Pete-15057323.php

some dumb shit someone just said to me on FB: " I have heard this week from someone who is a supposed political insider and has friends in high places that Tulsi Gabbard would be his VP pick. That sickens me. I am not a Bernie fan, but Tulsi is reprehensible- the things she's said about Obama and being a commentator for Fox. That also says a lot about Bernie. That would be a disaster. Apparently they are really close." This is obviously (to me) complete BS but I think things like this are being circulated by people trying to damage his campaign. Bernie is not a fucking idiot.

yeah that seems nuts to me too but that New Republic article jaymc posted up thread contains this:

Whenever the question is posed on social media, many of Sanders’s most fervent supporters regularly offer two names: Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator who now co-chairs the Sanders campaign and has been one of his most prominent surrogates, and Representative Tulsi Gabbard, who, lest we forget, is still running for the nomination herself. Both are women of color, and both are closer to Sanders politically than almost anyone else who easily comes to mind.

which seems just plain wrong to me also, but i guess people do really think that?

I haven't seen a single Bernie supporter push Gabbard

lol

If by the grace of God Bernie won the nom, made Tulsi instead of Warren his VP, and gave Cornel West and Andrew Yang cabinet positions instead of AOC, he would be the most inspiring and impactful president in our history

— Anna Khachiyan (@annakhachiyan) February 14, 2020

Two consecutive days now when Tulsi has fielded a question from town hall attendees asking if she’ll please be Bernie’s VP!

— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) February 9, 2020

Paging Stacey Abrams

the comments on that thread are 2/3 "lol wut" 1/3 just as stupid
xpost

Abrams has been the ilx favorite if I'm not mistaken

Doesn't the VP pick rarely come from people who were running to be Pres in the same pack of candidates? Or am I misremembering?

i wouldn't read too much into this but:

https://www.axios.com/mike-bloomberg-stacey-abrams-georgia-event-aa438c63-ca3f-4672-907e-94f93a94722a.html

^month old btw

I wrote about Bernie Sanders and choosing a vice president. https://t.co/asiOK5onWZ

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) February 14, 2020

review of the runners and riders

tammy baldwin seems like the best pick for the general election although as he says the implications for the senate are potentially bad.

he doesn't mention castro. is it worse to endorse warren than be warren from bernie's POV?

please Bernie, dude, no on Tulsi. just NO. i've pleasantly impressed w his campaign instincts this go round, so hopefully he's knows better than to fuck around with a narcissistic grifter like Gabbard.

there's no way Bernie would pick Gabbard

I'm fine with Castro, but he's been dead four years.

no pros, all cons - she brings nothing to the ticket, doesn't expand his base of support, sizable number of Democrats hate her, has no qualifications Bernie doesn't already have, etc.

xps

Doesn't the VP pick rarely come from people who were running to be Pres in the same pack of candidates? Or am I misremembering?

― Position Position, Friday, February 14, 2020 5:23 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

idk if it's super common but it's def not rare. reagan/bush, obama/biden, im sure there are others.

kerry/edwards

i assume there's data on this, but i figure i'll ask a bunch of people whose opinions i mostly don't respect: does picking a VP candidate on the basis they will bring a state/region actually work?

JFK/LBJ

i feel like besides Bush/Cheney it's been concurrent primary candidates almost exclusively for decades now?

i think what's rare is when they don't actually kind of (or very much) hate each other, eg Obama/ Biden