Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

xps

I do not envisage President Sanders or even President Biden functioning this way. Neither would cede power.

I think of Poppy Bush and Ronald Reagan. The latter's cognitive decline was such that advisers wondered whether they couldn't invoke the 25th Amendment, but Bush wouldn't go along, nor could he because he wasn't what Cheney would become twenty years later; Reagan had never ceded him this power in '81.

VP is less powerful than Senate and yet plenty of senators have gladly shot for VP. No reason to assume she wouldn't take the role regardless of what you imagine her priorities to be.

but yeah if the Mass gov is just going to appoint some “moderate” republican fuckboi then staying in he senate would be preferable

Someone who's on her mailing list, how frantic are the fundraising email subject headings lately

A lot more chilled-out, actually. From this week:

- A message from Elizabeth
- I want to share a short story about the other night
- Can Elizabeth count on you to be one of the 180 grassroots donors we need from [STATE]?
- In just 9 days...

what’s ol Scotty Brown up to these days

And of course as soon as I hit post, this one pops up:

- Elizabeth needs your help today to give our campaign the resources to go up on the air, get our message out, and remain competitive through Super Tuesday

Senators taking the VP spot have traditionally been gambling that the President is going to die in office, and/or see it as a stepping-stone to the Presidency (despite the fact that historically that scenario has very, very rarely played out)

xps

"have traditionally been gambling that the President is going to die in office"

well this is why LBJ arranged the Kennedy hit himself

heh

LBJ's actual gamble was more unique - he thought he could run the Senate from the VP chair. Didn't pan out that way.

"Just git me elected and ah'll I'll give ya yer damn war."

Idk what the last case of a senator taking the spot because of expected death in office would be. Truman?

The speculation about whether the governor would appoint a republican to take her place, wouldn't that have been the same if she had been elected president? And if so, wouldn't we have heard a lot about it by now?

I think Truman was considered healthy?

I mean Truman as VP for FDR

No reason to assume she wouldn't take the role

Perhaps, but there are many reasons to think she wouldn't be a good match with any of the candidates now running ahead of her, either in terms of practical politics or philosophical mismatch or personality clash. I suspect we amateurs like to speculate her into a VP slot for the same sorts of reasons many voters think of her as their second or third choice, to be switched to if their first choice becomes unavailable. That feels like what a VP should be like, a second choice to fill the office if the president leaves it. Except it never operates that way in real life.

I got that, Mr X, I was joking :)

wouldn't that have been the same if she had been elected president?

Warren as POTUS w some birdbrained republican senator from Mass >>>> Warren as VP w same

what’s ol Scotty Brown up to these days

currently ambassador to New Zealand* and Samoa**, plans to become a law school dean in Dec 2020

* sorry, New Zealand
** sorry, Samoa

RIP he was our best president

btw this article is lol: https://www.wbur.org/cognoscenti/2014/11/05/scott-brown-jeanne-shaheen-new-hampshire-senate-race-eileen-mcnamara

his vp was going to be an actual pickup truck iirc

I'd love for Warren to run with Bernie if only because I think it would consolidate the electorate and dissolve this bad blood that's been kicked up but I kind of doubt it will happen also. The one way I could think it might happen would be if Bernie told her he'd only serve one term and cede the presumptive nominee/incumbent place to her in four years.

that would leak and be politically damaging

bernie can't just step down and appoint warren to be the next nom, there would still be a primary

Out of curiosity, has it ever happened that a vice president has sought a 'third term' so to speak, and lost the nomination? In either party.

George Clinton was vice president for Jefferson and Madisdon, but that's the only fun fact I can think of.

John Calhoun was VP under both John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson.

A lot more chilled-out, actually. From this week:

- A message from Elizabeth
- I want to share a short story about the other night
- Can Elizabeth count on you to be one of the 180 grassroots donors we need from (STATE)?
- In just 9 days...

― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, February 14, 2020 5:33 PM (two hours ago)

i read this quickly and for a split-second thought that elizabeth warren was ending her fundraising emails by saying "but also, fuck you"

I wouldn't blame her at this point. But I'd say communications from her team are generally low-key.

George Clinton was vice president for Jefferson and Madisdon, but that's the only fun fact I can think of.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, February 14, 2020 3:17 PM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

thought he was a member of parliament

Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders said it’s “very unfortunate” a rule change could allow his fellow presidential candidate Mike Bloomberg into the next Democratic debates. The qualifications no longer include a unique-donor threshold.

“That is what being a multi-billionaire is about. Some very good friends of mine who were competing in the Democratic nomination — people like Cory Booker of New Jersey, Julián Castro — work really, really hard. Nobody changed the rules to get them in the debate,” he said on “CBS This Morning” Friday.

“But I guess if you’re worth $60 billion, you can change the rules. I think that is very, very unfortunate,” he added.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-says-mike-bloomberg-shouldnt-be-in-next-democratic-debates/

Battle of the funky vice presidents: George Clinton vs. George H.W. Bush

fucking Florida. This is the first state poll I've seen anywhere where Bloompie is leading

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483097-poll-bloomberg-overtakes-biden-in-florida

retired Jews from NYC? I thought that was no longer the demographic case

my thoughts exactly

yeah I'm going to wind up losing a bet (a bet I made when I had no idea how week the entire field of centrists was going to look by now), because of fucking florida

FL: Biden down 15% and Bloomberg up 10%. This makes crude sense, in that the biggest takeaway from IA and NH has been that Biden's campaign is crumbling, so his soft support is drifting somewhere else. Into the breach, Bloomberg has poured a massive ad campaign extolling himself to the skies, unchallenged. This attracts the drifters who just want a safe-feeling non-Trump who won't try to pull any of those radical moves that might be upsetting.

this sorta goes against the media narrative

#National Democratic Primary, Head-2-Head:
Sanders 54% (+21)
Klobuchar 33%
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Sanders 54% (+17)
Buttigieg 37%
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Sanders 53% (+15)
Bloomberg 38
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Sanders 48% (+4)
Biden 44%
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Sanders 44% (+2)
Warren 42%@YouGovUS/@YahooNews 2/12-13 pic.twitter.com/PmqYFO2f7B

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) February 14, 2020

It's almost as if victories cause American voters to look differently at candidates.

Bloomberg's awareness is obv rising because of his massive amounts of TV and internet TV ads; him polling high is straight name recognition, like Biden was getting before anyone actually had to vote or caucus

I really like the idea of a dual role bc the veep spot is good media narrative, treasury plays to her formidable strengths, and because fuck👏those👏norms👏

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:52 AM (three hours ago)

otm

agree w/ fish moon thingie arrow that p much anyone else in the running is likely to offer her VP, but nobody else is likely to offer her as much influence as Sanders at all, let alone as VP/Treasury

man alive, Florida doesnt vote for another BLOODY FIVE WEEKS

I still think Bloomps is gonna do well in the polls up to the moment his prospective voters actually have to hear him speak so yes in that sense it'll be exactly like Biden

we should mass-retweet this account to Floridians

Stop y frisko es onlyo racista if ít happeños en el Raciso región del Francero. Othero placeros es justo sparklingo oppressioño.

— Miguel Bloombito (@ElBloombito) February 13, 2020

there's a debate between now and super Tuesday, right? Bloompie likely to fuck that up proper, there's no way Bernie will resist laying into him

my people:
https://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Pete-Buttigieg-San-Francisco-Queers-Against-Pete-15057323.php

some dumb shit someone just said to me on FB: " I have heard this week from someone who is a supposed political insider and has friends in high places that Tulsi Gabbard would be his VP pick. That sickens me. I am not a Bernie fan, but Tulsi is reprehensible- the things she's said about Obama and being a commentator for Fox. That also says a lot about Bernie. That would be a disaster. Apparently they are really close." This is obviously (to me) complete BS but I think things like this are being circulated by people trying to damage his campaign. Bernie is not a fucking idiot.

yeah that seems nuts to me too but that New Republic article jaymc posted up thread contains this:

Whenever the question is posed on social media, many of Sanders’s most fervent supporters regularly offer two names: Nina Turner, a former Ohio state senator who now co-chairs the Sanders campaign and has been one of his most prominent surrogates, and Representative Tulsi Gabbard, who, lest we forget, is still running for the nomination herself. Both are women of color, and both are closer to Sanders politically than almost anyone else who easily comes to mind.

which seems just plain wrong to me also, but i guess people do really think that?