bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

❤️ Sobel

Fuck off https://t.co/dKdbGew8hl

— ((( Alex Sobel MP ))) (@alexsobel) February 12, 2020

YES

normal land is normal

We have finally found out who paid for Boris Johnson and Carrie Symonds' New Year Caribbean holiday... it was Carphone Warehouse co-founder David Ross pic.twitter.com/K5ICCWjhPc

— John Stevens (@johnestevens) February 12, 2020

BAME Labour nominates:

• Keir Starmer to be leader of the Labour Party
• Dawn Butler to be deputy leader of the Labour Party

— CLP Nominations (@CLPNominations) February 12, 2020

I've not seen one BAME poster on my tl who stans for this fucker, might be more to do with how I edit my tl but just saying.

https://t.co/yyz2i9aKCI pic.twitter.com/A8uL2dt2lu

— Maliha (@maliharez) February 12, 2020

THAT SCENE JESUS CHRIST

BAME Labour what the fuck were ye thinking

he have rigged BAME Labour but no BAME people actually turn up at his campaign events.. lol not even Ayesha Hazarika!

^^
he might have rigged

he do the policies in different voices

When is the actual ballot taking place? Who actually designed this interminable leadership contest anyway?

Meanwhile:

A 101-year-old Italian man who has been in London since 1966 was asked to get his parents to confirm his identity by the Home Office after he applied to stay in the country post-Brexit.

it turns out he was lying about his age and actually is a DANGEROUS FOREIGN CRIMINAL and a 21 year old crystal meth addict, but it's alright - he's not black.

not sure about the dates. Sad lol: the last Labour email I received is from 11/12/19 and is titled One Last Push.

Something big is happening across the country. We’re going to finish the political revolution we started. pic.twitter.com/cFhlN4NRTQ

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 2, 2020

sorrry maybe wrong thread but what is the purchase this song has w/ the new new left?

it's the radical, revolutionary sound of the White Stripes

The fuck is this awful compering? It’s like free association. She hears a word in an answer and then turns to another candidate with a non-sequitur question which happens to mention the same word.

We have gone from “did you think you were going to lose the election” to “should Blair he tried as a war criminal?” in four sentences.

damn i forgot to watch this .. oh no I meant good.

There's a documentary about the Plantagenets on PBS which is chiller and less violent than watching Newsnight

lol at all the people in the comments suggesting BAME Labour should have picked Lisa Nandy.

BAME recognise BAME

I wonder which part of her ‘we must pander to the most pig-ignorant white people we can find’ platform put them off.

As well as the flagrant pro racism from Nandy she's made derisive comments about Labour's union links, the very concept of organised striking for improved working conditions and said the entire UK should be allowed a vote on a 2nd Scottish indyref. I'm not saying she's much worse than what Starmer actually represents against what he pitches, but some of these CLP's nomming her should die of shame and embarrassment ffs!

I think she is worse tbh, though it sounds like she went mask off at the TV hustings tonight so hopefully will start to lose votes.

"the lesson we learned in the last election is that people are smarter than we think"

Nandy is by far the closest to representing an ‘acceptable’ platform on the ‘James Ball - David Aaronovich Spectrum of Sensible Opinions’ which is one of the main reasons she’s completely toxic to the bulk of the party. There is no realistic way Starmer can pivot that far to the right, imo. The makeup of the NEC, conference, the next generation of MPs and activists, etc, make it virtually impossible, however much Progress would like to think otherwise. He’s in an even more challenging position than Miliband, in that the base has moved left and the press has tacked even further right.

Which means he is doomed, obviously.

Progress are more concerned with economic conservatism than social

And more cynical than Blue Labour in terms of how much they're prepared to dissemble in pursuit of victory

A plague on both their houses, obv

This is true wrt immigration and Traditional Values but I always get the sense that the Progress / Labour First wing is at least as, if not more, hawkish on foreign policy and has traditionally emphasised the need for ‘credibility’ on a range of stuff (security, policing, etc) that overlaps massively with the social / cultural conservatism of Blue Labour.

Yes I should have elaborated. I agree. Largely it comes from a place of keeping the world safe for neoliberalism I suspect, plus their innate worship of/obeisance to power.

Again tho Starmer will be more circumspect about how he goes about this because it's not an appeal to the red wall proles as such. He's already touting his "no illegal wars" pledge, lol like I trust a lawyer to adhere to a strict definition of legality.

Yep, though it has massively riled up the "yes to illegal wars" crowd.

Get that mumsn*t vote

.@Keir_Starmer hasn't and won't sign the @Labour_Trans pledges, saying "we need to dial this down": pic.twitter.com/7qsFDz9Rqy

— Beth Desmond (@lisa_trandy) February 12, 2020

Without actually watching this shite the impressions I got from short clips and reading other people's impressions is:

Nandy's oratory skills are very low energy and parched for a candidate who is apparently funded by corporate lobbyists from the water and energy sectors and she is probably to the right of some tories. And Keir seems like he has a well rehearsed lawyer/cop routine on a broad range of subjects, but in the heat of battle he will melt under the slightest heat. RLB is just calmly posting as she normally does!

They had a literal bernie bro on Today this morning, didn't realise his brother lived in the UK.

He sounded a bit more impressive than Piers Corbyn.

It was briefly the Larry Sanders show

They had a literal bernie bro on Today this morning, didn't realise his brother lived in the UK.

The problem is that the Tories have finally worked out how to effectively weaponise this culture war bollocks, where they can take any cause no matter how righteous and sharpen it into a blade of "these people care about this more than they care about you", or worse "this shows how much they hate people like you". They don't even need to say it, they just need to imply it.

Trump has been doing this for a while but the actual Tories were largely hamfisted at it. They don't even need to take a stance on the issue themselves, just let the left and centre fight it out amongst themselves. It also explains why they're going to be throwing money at Red Wall seats, showing they can look after them better than Labour.

Eventually people will see through it but its working now. The voters in Red Wall seats don't even need to care about the issue itself either way, they just need to react to the reaction.

The Brexit policy itself was an issue but so was the fact that people spent years calling other people naive idiots who didn't know what they were voting for.

eg no sensible or intelligent person believes that "insufficiently transphobic" is among the reasons Labour lost the election but it suits certain people, who generally self-identify as being on the liberal left, to pretend it was. Trans rights have barely been on the legislative agenda at all throughout the time the Tories have been in power, but it suits them for Labour to have a big fight about it while they keep their heads down. Incredible that Labour right people keep blundering into the same rake.

Right but the “controversial” reforms to the GRA were proposed by the Tories, which is the only reason it’s become such an issue now. It suits an awful lot of people to pressure Labour over it.

sorry to spam the thread but does anyone know any middle-aged men (40-59) in Glasgow on low income (£28,500 per household) with experience of personal difficulty like job loss or relationship breakdown who would be interested in being interviewed for a research project. (£40 incentive) PM me if you think you do!

Again, truly sorry to spam the thread

that is interesting spam!

.. and i'll do near enough anything for £40 these days, apart from vote for KS.

Reshuffle on this morning - McVey, Cox, Leadsom, Villiers all out

spam glasgow more :)

If only I was in Glasgow

If only I was on £28000 :D

28k that's like winning the lottery!

listen to booming voice Cox yesterday, he sounded like he knew he was going and was blathering on pompously about how fortunately he is in huge demand for his other noble calling in life .. the bar.

was listening

has Cox definitely gone? Not seen that anywhere yet.