Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

Klo thanks

I don't think we noted ITT that Pete's campaign is also trying to win a Shorty Award at the same time as the presidency

The Buttigieg campaign applied for a “Best Brand Identity” award lol
https://t.co/NVK0lFdNQM pic.twitter.com/xrIuBWkzz6

— Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein) February 9, 2020

Didn’t the 2008 Obama campaign win some ad awards?

if he wins the ad award that means he can beat trump

maybe pete should have learned english before he went on to (ahem) ‘learn’ all those other languages because what the fuck is this gibberish

pic.twitter.com/YFabqLoUCL

— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) February 12, 2020

I don't know if you all saw this but Yang dropped out.

Notre Dame, legendary center of industry.

Incredible pivot from starting out as the egghead candidate to trying to embody a bad Bruce Springsteen song.

Winning was a huge blow to Sanders tonight. Buttigieg lost, which is clearly a win for him, especially losing to Sanders, to whom he's lost twice now, making Sanders' win even more disappointing. Team Sanders needs a big loss to win next time

— Brendan James (@deep_beige) February 12, 2020

I'm not giving up on Warren yet. Now that the two media primaries are over, the real campaign begins. Klobuchar and the Booty Judge are gonna get blown the fuck out in South Carolina. I don't even have a theory about what Biden's gonna do.

re Biden—comeback kid narratives coming soon

theme song iirc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4mewwymxbI

I'm on Team Warren, but I kinda like that the left has shown ability to triangulate and think strategically, while the center is imploding and fucking everything up for itself. I can't also deny that it improves the case for Sanders' tactics, rather than Warren's implicit argument that the center would come around to her - extremely popular - anti-oligarch policies, if they knew what was best for them. They proved her wrong, they don't know shit.

lol the shamelessness

Why accept the knockoff Trump when you can have the real thing? https://t.co/jk32uxGUZd

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) February 12, 2020

gloves-off Liz (hypocrite much?)

Instead of dropping out and backing Bernie, Warren is now attacking pic.twitter.com/2cgYnVkcsw

— Chicky Hearn (@ChickHearnBern) February 12, 2020

from the NYT story on Klobuchar:

In her closing message as she barnstormed the state, Ms. Klobuchar began to make more direct appeals to moderates, and even some Republicans. Her campaign began targeting towns in New Hampshire that flipped from President Barack Obama to Donald J. Trump. She sat for an interview with Bret Baier of Fox News on Monday night after speaking to a luncheon of Nashua Rotary Club members earlier in the day.

“I’ve also seen a lot of anger, from people who stayed home in 2016, or independents, or Republicans that maybe voted for the president and are now stepping back and thinking, I don’t know if I did the right thing,” Ms. Klobuchar said at the luncheon, more often a campaign trail stop for Republican candidates than Democrats. “My campaign has always been about reaching out and not shutting people out, but bringing them with me.”

Ms. Klobuchar’s distinct and deliberate appeal to the centrist spirit caught fire with some late-breaking activists.

JoAnne St. John, an influential Democratic activist in Nashua who had long backed Senator Cory Booker of New Jersey, was still adrift and without a candidate heading into the final weekend.

“I went to a Buttigieg rally, and at the end of that, I said, ‘I think I’m going to support him,’” she said in an interview on Tuesday. “But I had almost begrudgingly promised some of my very proficient Democrats here in Nashua that I would go see Amy at 3 o’clock. And I did, and I’m glad I did. I saw a woman with power. I’ve seen her many times before, but she has developed her style. I just looked at that woman onstage and I thought, ‘She can do this.’” (Ms. St. John voted for Ms. Klobuchar on Tuesday, and spent most of her day encouraging others to do the same.)

"instead of dropping out" c'mon -- I've been reading a variant on this since last fall when she was near the top.

She's probably finished, but a couple weeks remain.

The person with the third-most delegates right now should definitely drop out so as to give an easier time to the pissant cop who is about to get his ass handed to him from SC onward.

i'm happy to see her stay in as long as she wants. but man i really hope she doesn't do a heel turn at the very end.

looked at my actblue contributions last night and she's still got more of my $$ than bernie

She should stay in as long as she wants, she's running for president and we've had two primaries.

But shame on her for this "my way or the highway" line, what cynical horseshit from a supposed firebrand.

yeah like c'mon you're going to have waaaay more influence in a sanders admin than a klob or fuckin Pete.

She had a fighting chance at Bernie's lane and chickened out. That was just dumb campaigning.

But going after him now for maintaining his own line is pretty crappy.

I think it was pretty clear nobody but Sanders had a chance in the Sanders lane...

That's not true, the two of them were seen as more or less competing for the same votes all year

iirc she led him until she blinked on m4a

yes

Plenty of people (including many itt) preferred her to Bernie and she let herself drift before winning their confidence

and a good thing, too, better now than 2021

She went for a broader coalition, it worked for a while, she had more votes than Sanders. She got under a lot of fire as soon as she outpolled Sanders, before any of the M4A moves, it's a revision of history to claim otherwise. And Sanders has only gone up, like, 7% in the polls as she has faltered, there was a lot of overlap between Warren and the centrists as well.

Also, when she is talking about a turn in recent weeks, isn't it more likely she is aiming at least as much at Biden? He was the one who went seriously negative at Buttigieg, after all.

She was also losing votes before M4A, when Buttigieg began rising. A big part of the story is the insane centrists being uncomfortable with the wealth tax, etc. Which is a good reason to vote Sanders instead, btw, these people are beyond reason.

fwiw I don't agree EW should drop out

but what was "a plan for that" other than "I have the answers"? it's what candidates do.

Warren’s slipping is far more a function of TV news either excluding or turning against her, than it is her whiffing the campaign. Policy >>> personality, but she has the best suite of policies in the game, and is pretty great at explaining them when she’s given the chance.

Bernie’s a better campaigner in nearly every ways, but it’s not a flaw of her as a politician that instead of repeating rousing platforms, she actually gets enthusiastic about the basic details of her proposals. Especially as it’s bcz she knows how they work.

I do wonder to what extent it just boils down to people getting to the moment of truth in the voting booth and thinking she can't beat Trump.

Fred: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2020/president/us/2020_democratic_presidential_nomination-6730.html#!

You can see their trajectories cross just after she bailed on M4A

Which means she started falling a month and a half before that.

Right as Buttigieg starts rising. It really really really proves my point?

but what was "a plan for that"

It’s not like she’s keeping them secret:
https://elizabethwarren.com/plans

there was a lot of overlap between Warren and the centrists as well

i think this is fair and why i initially supported her, thinking that she would be heralded as the unity candidate. sadly it seemed like the lib/ Dem 'establishment' went after her as too far left (very dumb move), and as sic noted, TV news either excluding or turning against her.

Heck, it takes Sanders a month to rise above the level he is at when their trajectories cross, if it's because Warren/Sanders voters are moving he should have benefited a lot more, no?

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sorry going to need another "really" to convince me

it’s not a flaw of her as a politician that instead of repeating rousing platforms, she actually gets enthusiastic about the basic details of her proposals

This is not why she tanked. She tanked because she blinked, calling her convictions into question

iirc she led him until she blinked on m4a

sorry going to need another "really" to convince me

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Fair point. Really.

v silly pasting there, sic

xxp talk about revisionist history...her descent started when she repeatedly, insistently dodged questions about taxes re: M4A. She looked intimidated, and people started peeling off.

it me

I mean not that ilx is any barometer but I don't think it's misrepresentative, you can go back and see it happening day by day

I think this is akin to "the Dean Scream tanked his campaign" which completely ignores that the scream happened because... his campaign was tanking because pundits vastly inflated the importance of the support of the Extremely Online in 2004

I think it's fair to say that Warren's support started to erode when her M4A proposals began including longer timelines and compromises but I don't think you can say that's the only reason her campaign stalled or that it is purely because progressives chose Sanders; moderates also started choosing Buttigieg.

xxp talk about revisionist history...her descent started when she repeatedly, insistently dodged questions about taxes re: M4A. She looked intimidated, and people started peeling off.

ilx is not representative, lol. there's only Warren or Sanders voters on here.