I'm not sure I can even bring myself to vote in this poll
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link
There's nothing particularly good about Biden, so I guess that makes Biden the least worst
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 15:53 (four years ago) link
fuck it I’m riding w Klobs. her brain isn’t melting and she’s probably the most honest about her intentions—which are largely bad, but no worse than Pete or Mike.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 15:56 (four years ago) link
biden definitely the least-worst, but now his brain is mush. so that is bad.
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:00 (four years ago) link
some part of me still thinks a lot of what Pete's been saying lately is just positioning to give himself the best chance to win. not that he'd turn into Bernie if he did win, but idk, I just don't think even he believes his own bullshit as much as someone like Biden does. certainly the range of possible outcomes of a Buttigieg presidency is wider than Biden's, for better and worse.
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:01 (four years ago) link
going with Klobuchar just to counter how much this country hates women
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
not voting till i see how they handle being brought a salad but no implement to eat it with
― mark s, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link
I spent some time torn between Buttigieg and Klobuchar but then realized that the real answer to this is Elizabeth Warren.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link
she's not a moderate
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
kloobs
― mookieproof, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link
Which is supremely fucked up. If this country was anything approaching normal she would be xpost
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:08 (four years ago) link
I know Warren is a moderate because I'm a moderate and she's my favorite. Her platform is progressive capitalism. That's the very definition of moderate liberalism!
Maybe a better way to say it is that Warren is the candidate in the race whose politics are closest to Obama's, so for people who see Obama as a moderate (much of this board), she's a moderate.
For people who see Obama as a leftist (i.e. not this board) I don't see how any of these folks besides Bloomberg is a "moderate."
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link
butti is the worst because he has, i think, the least impressive experience in the area he is seeking, and possibly the worst record even there, and based in his comments on several topics, ZERO credibility. And his charm eludes me, tho i think he is likely the smartest of these.
biden is the next worst as one who has no clue or will to do what needs done to actually improve things, and is far in his dotage.
bloomberg is next better but fuck him his billions and the continued perversion of process. he is at least, i presume, still competent.
my winner is then this person of whom i have little real knowledge by which to judge.
― in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
xp
she's significantly more liberal (left, whatever) than obama and nearly every democratic senator, not to mention every single presidential candidate except for one
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
But if I have to choose between these four and I get to choose one to be President, not to be Trump's GE opponent, I choose Klobuchar. Her politics and Buttigieg's don't seem wildly different to me, and I think it would be a positive good for the US to have a woman as President. I imagine it's true that she's a crap boss, but I'm gonna be honest, I think anyone in politics at this level has serious personality deformations and I don't believe that "shitty to her assistants" bleeds out into her role as President in the same way that "record of sexual harrassment and/or assault" does.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:14 (four years ago) link
it’s like the only trait of hers that springs to my mind! but i think youre not wrong, eephus
― in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:18 (four years ago) link
If I have to choose Trump's GE opponent rather than just installing my pick in the ellipsoidal conference room I do have serious worries about how sexist the electorate is and that pushes me towards the Mayor.
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:22 (four years ago) link
Klobuchar is the least worst, though this might be because I've seen the least coverage other than when she threw a fork on a plane or something
― anvil, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
Klobuchar, heaven forgive me.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:35 (four years ago) link
Here's hoping she throws a stapler at Donald Trump.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
Klobuchar or Bloomberg
― o. nate, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:38 (four years ago) link
I was thinking about comments re who is similar to Obama. and also about why I was not initially hostile but optimistic about butti.
i was mostly feelin “here’s a dude who was a social minority outlier as a gay in the military and very smart and competent.“ I hoped he would be a bit like Obama outta that- that he was aware of his opposition and core-dedicated to change, tho aware (and post-obama, HYPERaware), that the opposition is implacable and needs to be handled directly for credibility.
but afaict butti shows none of that. If anything it is as if he concludes that knuckling under or allying to inadequate status quo is the best course for all. It’s gross.
― in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:48 (four years ago) link
bloomps
― otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:51 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg
― iatee, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:53 (four years ago) link
gotta say the only two who remain that know that some core changes are needed and that the opposition is implacable are bernie and warren. i just think the one who knows really knows how to do those changes is warren, and that’s one reason finance and countryclub gop fear her.
also, i legit fear bernie won’t make the end of his term for age.
― in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link
gah sorry thread derail
least worst to worst:
1. Klobuchar - honestly don't have a sense of what her presidency would actually look like so she wins by default2. Biden - would not actively try to make the world too much worse than it was under Obama, would still be a disaster, not actually worried about his mushy brain3. Buttigieg - cynical campaign for a lifelong careerist, no reason to believe he has any convictions about anything he talks about, strikes me as a future CEO who is constantly apologizing for controversies occurring beneath him that he secretly had full knowledge of and approved, decent chance he opens the doors to his McKinsey friends and somehow Enrons the presidency4. Bloomberg - an actual nevertrump republican by 2020 standards, only an accelerationist can see upside here
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link
Didn't Warren half define herself by fighting Obama? How is she the most Obama-like?
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
for me i dont think of her as obama-like. her own recognition of implacability of gop came from working on the inside long enough not as an organizer. though both found avenues in academia.
― in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:10 (four years ago) link
Biden seems at least like a human person.
Not a human I would want running anything, though.
I could see Buttigieg's vagueness working in his favour as a competent centrist.
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 18:14 (four years ago) link
Obama was a neolib, Warren is a lib
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 18:21 (four years ago) link
Judy is a punk
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link
Sheena: hold my docs
― otm into winter (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 23:09 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg - stop and frisk, billionaire vampire, trying to buy an electionButtigieg - complete zero, McKinsey, resume building via imperialismKlobuchar - bad record as prosecutor, throws binders at peoples' headsBiden - generally amiable but creepy, long record of shitty positions
I guess I'd vote Klobuchar out of those four.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:10 (four years ago) link
I don't have to work for her and odds are good that the people who want to work in her Senate office deserve to have things thrown at them.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:11 (four years ago) link
i'm leaning klobuchar bc her throwing shit at ppl is lbj-esque
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:19 (four years ago) link
biden probably the least worst as a president, buttigieg the least worst in terms of not getting his ass kicked in the general
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:24 (four years ago) link
few things on earth irritate me more than a shitty boss but...odds are good that the people who want to work in her Senate office deserve to have things thrown at them is probably not out of bounds
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:25 (four years ago) link
just personally I am going to take the stance that no worker deserves their boss throwing shit at them
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:26 (four years ago) link
(this is irrational, I realize, but klobuchar is the only candidate in my lifetime where I actually understood the “there’s just something I don’t like about her” thing)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:27 (four years ago) link
she was my OG #1 most hated but i think maybe her inability (thus far) to be an actual threat has made me view her more favorably than the others.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:31 (four years ago) link
my mom was (is?) leaning towards her bc she's a boomer afraid of lefties getting owned
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:33 (four years ago) link
Voting Bloomberg as least worst because of climate and guns. Klobuchar has gone (for me) from nonentity to hate-object just because Chuck Todd et al. are trying so hard to make her happen.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:36 (four years ago) link
impossible poll, would be klob on vague/unknown grounds but katherine otm, i'm not ticking the box for an abusive boss.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:39 (four years ago) link
all bad
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link
Either Biden or Klobuchar for me, I guess
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:47 (four years ago) link
https://graneyandthepig.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/joebidenwash.jpg
― El Tomboto, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 00:59 (four years ago) link
Biden would give the farm away for some magic beans. Buttigeig is a honey trap for white middle class voters to fall into, but a third of the Democratic coalition would view him with extreme distrust, depressing turnout. Klobuchar is just weak sauce, even compared to HRC, and she won't get within sniffing distance of the nomination, no matter what Chuck Todd says. Bloomberg is a strutting, self-regarding billionaire who would replicate some of Trump's awfulness, only in some other direction.
I'm supposed to choose one of these? Nope. Sure, I might have one of them forced on me by forces beyond my control, but I won't choose any of them.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Tuesday, February 11, 2020 7:31 PM (fifty-two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
look what you've done
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 01:25 (four years ago) link
of these klobuchar seems the least like a shell of a human being
― uncrut gems (crüt), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 04:37 (four years ago) link
Hey I wish like hell she’d beat Pete in NH. I suspect she’ll fizzle in SC and NV but I’d love to have seen her deny him a “victory” lap.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 04:39 (four years ago) link
xp: By voting record and platform, Warren is more progressive than Sanders. Not a moderate by any stretch. But also not someone poisoning their chances in the general espousing socialism.
― forgotten even to the sea (Sanpaku), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 05:22 (four years ago) link
Uh, your second link actually says that Sanders has a more progressive platform. The difference is in their "day one democracy agenda" whatever that actually means.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 05:27 (four years ago) link
klob. the mean boss stuff is mb bad but otoh it would be like veep
― flopson, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 06:42 (four years ago) link
that scorecard's not great. looking into it the difference in "day one democracy agenda" is just sanders isn't in favour of removing the filibuster, instead aiming to get things through the senate through some budget reconciliation loophole which would have basically the same effect if it works but they don't talk about that and just dink him points. they give buttigieg points for "court reform" but his plan is terrible and unworkable since it would require a constitutional amendment. they also give sanders & warren the same score on foreign policy which is one of the clearest differences between the two! hard to understand how warren has been better at building grassroots power either
― ufo, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 06:54 (four years ago) link
ive decided my ranking is
1) klob2) butt3) bide4) yikes bloomberg
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:39 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg was a divisive, Robert Moses-like mayor who gave the city away to his real estate buddies and served (bought) an illegal third term. He recently went on PBS saying he doesn't believe in term limits, flaunting his elitist attitude. One really gets the impression he regards democracy or egalitarianism as something of a nuisance. Disturbed that several people on here think he's the "least bad".
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:51 (four years ago) link
honestly outside of (maaaaaybe) Joe I think that applies to everyone here. But yeah, Bloomberg is probably the worst.I lol voted Klobs but the pro-life Democrat bs can fuck off into the ocean
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 13 February 2020 13:24 (four years ago) link
“applies to everyone” re One really gets the impression he regards democracy or egalitarianism as something of a nuisance that is
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 13 February 2020 13:28 (four years ago) link
Y'know, I'm just thankful for the moment that the viable dem candidates aren't limited to just this pack of clowns and nonentities this time around.
Yet, anyway.
― Sammo Hazuki's Tago Mago Cantina (Old Lunch), Thursday, 13 February 2020 13:40 (four years ago) link
Klobuchar is an abusive asshole who doesn't want to do anything for anybody and yet somehow less repellent on a gut level than Buttigieg. She also can't stand him, which is another point for her. Biden may be "harmless" now but in the way Junior Soprano was harmless toward the end. Bloomberg is as close to an actual monster as you can get.
― Chris L, Thursday, 13 February 2020 14:22 (four years ago) link
going to be real bummed out if Warren saddles up w Klobuchar
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 13 February 2020 14:27 (four years ago) link
Klobuchar's instinct to court every possible vote from every possible voter, including anti-abortion voters, would seem to make internal sense to a politician who before all else wants to be elected. The problem is that anti-abortion voters tend to be single-issue voters and the Republicans have courted them for decades through strong and consistent support for anti-abortion policies, so there's no reason on earth to think that, given a choice between strong, guaranteed anti-abortion policies and wishy-washy 'open-mindedness', an anti-abortion voter would choose wishy-washy. Ever.
So, what on earth is going on in Klobuchar's head to think otherwise?
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
I just assume it's a Cenobite dance party 24/7
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, 13 February 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
everyone listed here is a lying dog-faced pony soldier
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 February 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
staplerhead xp
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 February 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
I believe I prefer Hillary Clinton to all of them.
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 February 2020 19:47 (four years ago) link
lock board
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:37 (four years ago) link
ilx is complete
― frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:39 (four years ago) link
looooool
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link
the Dems can always get worse, and do
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
NV culinary union declines to endorse anyone, imagine this is probably the end for biden
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
I imagine there is probably some potential middle ground on abortion between “all abortion is murder” and “any abortion restriction is patriarchal hegemony”. You’re not going to win over the single issue voters but there could be some folks out there who are sympathetic to restricting abortion but would like an excuse to vote Democratic.
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:53 (four years ago) link
oops sorry for wrong thread
― global tetrahedron, Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:53 (four years ago) link
I imagine there is probably some potential middle ground on abortion between “all abortion is murder” and “any abortion restriction is patriarchal hegemony”.
― o. nate, Thursday, February 13, 2020 1:53 PM (one minute ago)
nah
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link
yeah absolutely not
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link
otm
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 13 February 2020 21:58 (four years ago) link
all abortion is the business of the woman having the abortion and any person she chooses to involve in her decision
that's it
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link
I was speculating on the existence of political middle ground not on the actual morality of the issue.
― o. nate, Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
at this point tho anybody who views this as a real right worth protecting also surely realizes that all the "middle ground" stuff works to enable the ongoing bit-by-bit nationwide onslaught against that right by a thousand cuts. and those who view abortion as an evil aren't going to vote for anyone who recognizes it as a right.
― Doctor Casino, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:42 (four years ago) link
i wasnt really clued into klobey’s environmental recordhttps://centeractionfund.org/environmental-report-card/?fbclid=IwAR1jIGzvJnQOltGmTKY3axHmWNXpQ3Y1bG9CTHmNlYyyngF-PdP8ftQz8O8#MethodologyI tried to figure out if that was reliable info, the “methodology” was pretty general.
― in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Sunday, 16 February 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link
fbclid=IwAR1jIGzvJnQOltGmTKY3axHmWNXpQ3Y1bG9CTHmNlYyyngF-PdP8ftQz8O8#Methodology
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Sunday, 16 February 2020 23:04 (four years ago) link
the middle ground is that if you are personally anti-abortion don't get one
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Sunday, 16 February 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Saturday, 29 February 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link
Buttigieg has been really rubbing me the wrong way since I voted. I guess Biden then?
― Sund4r, Saturday, 29 February 2020 00:02 (four years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Sunday, 1 March 2020 00:01 (four years ago) link
On a pure stylistic level Klobuchar appeals to me the most out of this crowd, but I'm not sure her kind of snarky, back-of-the-classroom persona would translate well to a national stage that likes passion and the "vision thing". Whatever his other flaws, Buttigieg at least gets that, and he's not a million years old or a billionaire, so I guess I probably should have voted for him.
― o. nate, Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:17 (four years ago) link
too late amy’s the new president now
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:26 (four years ago) link
peteamybiden
bloomberg
gabbard.
― akm, Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:42 (four years ago) link
bloomberg worse than gabbard imo
― honky wonk badonkadonk (crüt), Sunday, 1 March 2020 02:43 (four years ago) link
i agree but that might be influenced by the fact that bloomberg is much more likely to become president than gabbard is
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Sunday, 1 March 2020 03:05 (four years ago) link
“Back-of-the-classroom persona” is so on point from casual obv
― in a mellow, balmy way (Hunt3r), Sunday, 1 March 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link